In Points Only, Anyone Taking Aho over Scheifele?

[Rockies & Hockeys]

For the team in my sig, I'm debating offering my Scheifele (wondering if he's at his ceiling now) for Aho, who is younger and multi-position. However on Dobber's rankings Scheifele is 10th overall and Aho is 22nd overall. What do you guys think?

[Pengwin7]

I like Scheifele by a lot more.
Both Scheifele and Aho played a full 82gp this year, with 84pts for MS and 83pgs for SA.

But the reason I like Scheifele better is that he has no competition for C1 and tons of great wingers.
Aho has Martin Necas coming as a C2... maybe Staal is C3.
I see the minutes possible being a bit more distributed... and who knows where Svech plays.
Justin Williams & Micheal Ferland are both UFAs as well, so Canes might lose some solid wing finishers.

Winnipeg does have to allocate a lot of money to Laine, Connor, (and maybe Trouba).
Hayes will sign elsewhere, which opens back up some C minutes.

Players peak around 27.
So Scheifele just turning age 26 should be of no concern here, just to save a 4 years to the 22-year old Aho.

[Rockies & Hockeys]

I like Scheifele by a lot more.
Both Scheifele and Aho played a full 82gp this year, with 84pts for MS and 83pgs for SA.

But the reason I like Scheifele better is that he has no competition for C1 and tons of great wingers.
Aho has Martin Necas coming as a C2... maybe Staal is C3.
I see the minutes possible being a bit more distributed... and who knows where Svech plays.
Justin Williams & Micheal Ferland are both UFAs as well, so Canes might lose some solid wing finishers.

Winnipeg does have to allocate a lot of money to Laine, Connor, (and maybe Trouba).
Hayes will sign elsewhere, which opens back up some C minutes.

Players peak around 27.
So Scheifele just turning age 26 should be of no concern here, just to save a 4 years to the 22-year old Aho.

Thanks for this! That's a great breakdown, and way better reasoning than I'd brought to it.

[Rockies & Hockeys]

Any other thoughts?

[YzermansLegacy]

What P7 said lol.

Honestly, aside from that insight, the bigger question is how valuable the multi-positional eligibility that Aho has is to you/this league.

Is an 85-90 point C more valuable than an 80-85 point W/C?

I think they'll both get their points - neither substantially different enough to warrant a sure-fire "x over y" answer - so it's actually about:

a) Value of positional eligibility (might not be too relevant based on a 12-team start 3C/L/R set-up)
b) Perceived value of your fellow GMs (can imagine Scheif is more coveted than Aho)

As 3-time defending champ... I'm sure you know the answers to these!

[Rockies & Hockeys]

Thanks for this! I think I'm overthinking it because of win-fatigue/boredom/trade addiction (poor me, I know). I've got a young, awesome core and a load of high picks again next year. Scheifele is perceived higher than Aho, and there's a half decent chance I can draft Aho next year anyways. We start 3 of each forward position each night and only have a bench of 5, so I really don't need to push TOO hard for positional dual-eligibility. Thanks!

What P7 said lol.

Honestly, aside from that insight, the bigger question is how valuable the multi-positional eligibility that Aho has is to you/this league.

Is an 85-90 point C more valuable than an 80-85 point W/C?

I think they'll both get their points - neither substantially different enough to warrant a sure-fire "x over y" answer - so it's actually about:

a) Value of positional eligibility (might not be too relevant based on a 12-team start 3C/L/R set-up)
b) Perceived value of your fellow GMs (can imagine Scheif is more coveted than Aho)

As 3-time defending champ... I'm sure you know the answers to these!

[j0hn_d0e]

Im picking Scheifele as well but its a lot closer to me than Pengwin7 make it Staal i dont see as a treath to Aho at all. Necas - I think has still a way to go before starting to play as a real top 6 center in the big league. With that said, I still prefer Scheifele, but it's very close to me.. like 8points close. In a whole season I'm not sure how much of a difference 8 points will make

[Rockies & Hockeys]

Im picking Scheifele as well but its a lot closer to me than Pengwin7 make it Staal i dont see as a treath to Aho at all. Necas - I think has still a way to go before starting to play as a real top 6 center in the big league. With that said, I still prefer Scheifele, but it's very close to me.. like 8points close. In a whole season I'm not sure how much of a difference 8 points will make

Especially since Aho is tri-eligible, and Scheifele is only ever straight C. Still, think there's a chance I could draft Aho in the first or maybe even second round next year. I've got a lot of high picks...

[HonkyTonkMan]

I think it's damn close. Scheifele has more name value for sure, but if someone offered me Aho plus something worth while, I'd strongly consider it

[varlytime]

Give me Aho all day.. what did scheifele accomplish before his 22nd birthday? Aho is way ahead of the curb when it comes to development that this age. Also Aho is a way better skater

[Pengwin7]

Give me Aho all day.. what did scheifele accomplish before his 22nd birthday? Aho is way ahead of the curb when it comes to development that this age.

Performance before your 22nd birthday?! What is that some magical metric?!
Nikita Kucherov turned 22 in the summer of 2015... after he had a 64pt season.
Actually, Nikita Kucherov turned 23 in the summer of 2016... after he had a 66pt season.
Old man, eh... 23 years old, not hitting 70pts. Washed.Up!
I guess Kucherov was destined for a lifetime of 65-75pt scoring, eh?!

I guess UPSIDE in a player is COMPLETELY correlated to what you do before a 22nd birthday!
Good to know! (sarcasm)


[FWIW - Aho is a very solid player. I think they are close in talent. I do prefer Scheifele, but I agree in re-view, that I should've said "close" rather than "by a lot more". Mostly, Scheifele has put up three straight "point per game" seasons. So I see him as SAFE for 80+pts. That feeling of a SAFE 80pts... is the reasoning for use of phrase "by a lot more". Aho has 90pt upside, but I also think he could have a 70pt downside... because CAR just doesn't have the supporting linemate talent that WPG does for Scheifele.]

[Tanknation]

I take Aho. While Scheifele has the pedigree of 3 80+ seasons, Aho reached what Scheifele has done over 6 seasons compared to Aho's 3. Compare the teams and Ahos has that much more space to grow while the Jets are in their prime already. Lastly I also look at the coaching styles and Carolinas looks to be much more focused on offense for the forseeable future where Maurice and the Jets even with their firepower focus more on an all around game. Both have the ability to hit 100+ imo but the playing styles of the overall team factor largely long term.

[Rockies & Hockeys]

Darn it! Now it's a tougher choice, haha. Thanks for this good discussion though!

[MZac]

You can't go wrong here. Both good choices. If Aho is eligible for all three forward positions in your league rather than just center, that pushes him over the top for the win imo.

[varlytime]

Performance before your 22nd birthday?! What is that some magical metric?!
Nikita Kucherov turned 22 in the summer of 2015... after he had a 64pt season.
Actually, Nikita Kucherov turned 23 in the summer of 2016... after he had a 66pt season.
Old man, eh... 23 years old, not hitting 70pts. Washed.Up!
I guess Kucherov was destined for a lifetime of 65-75pt scoring, eh?!

I guess UPSIDE in a player is COMPLETELY correlated to what you do before a 22nd birthday!
Good to know! (sarcasm)


[FWIW - Aho is a very solid player. I think they are close in talent. I do prefer Scheifele, but I agree in re-view, that I should've said "close" rather than "by a lot more". Mostly, Scheifele has put up three straight "point per game" seasons. So I see him as SAFE for 80+pts. That feeling of a SAFE 80pts... is the reasoning for use of phrase "by a lot more". Aho has 90pt upside, but I also think he could have a 70pt downside... because CAR just doesn't have the supporting linemate talent that WPG does for Scheifele.]

Wow lol I didn’t mean to hit a nerve.. I did not mean to infer that 22nd birthday is a metric that should be used and that there aren’t exceptions to it. (Although I think we can both agree Kucherov is a unicorn and his development/rise is clearly absolutely bonkers)

What I was trying to say
1. Aho is 22 hence how I got to evaluating both players before their 22nd birthday
2. Aho at 22 is ahead of Scheifele at 22. Can we agree on that?
3. Aho is a better skater and considering the direction the league is going ..

those are the only points I made in my post lol. How we go from that to comparing Kucherov i don’t understand! although I’d argue Aho and Kucherov have a lot of similarities when it comes to draft Pedigree/size/hockey IQ and from what I’ve read competitivenss/work ethic

again im not saying scheifele isn’t good I just think Aho is only scratching the surface of what he’s capable of