Everyone is available on St. Louis, even Tarasenko

[newfcollins]

People on Twitter are saying Jeremy Rutherford of the Athletic is reporting it. But there's nothing on his Twitter page, and I don't subscribe to the Athletic.

Regardless, lots if Twitter chatter about this.

[ericdaoust]

This isn't really news. On my commute to/from work I listen to NHL network and they've been on this for at least a couple weeks. The general feeling was they feel their team's core has failed and some of them will be moved.

I believe this is the Athletic article, posted Dec 6:
https://theathletic.com/698246/2018/...-go-from-here/

[2014olympicgold]

Steen, Bozak, Perron, Maroon, Pietrangelo and Bouwmeester all have an NTC. So, moving Tarasenko, ROR, Schenn, Parayko, Jake Allen maybe would be the way you’d have to go to shake up the team. And I find it hard they’d move ROR after a 1/3^rd of a season, but hey weirder things have happened.

[Pengwin7]

More than anything, management must seem active these days.
Or they are gone.

St.Louis isn't all that dissimilar from Philadelphia.
They have a really good young pipeline, I think it is ranked #5 or #6 from Pronman - with Thomas, Kyrou, Husso - good pieces there.
O'Reilly was a great haul on that trade.

But... I don't think the kids haven't been deployed well. Maybe they aren't ready.
Kyrou is a -42 in shot differential, Thomas is a forward-team worst -76..
Also - J.Bo is ancient and team worst at -101.
They need to Karl Alzner his ass down to the AHL.

Their signings, Perron, Maroon. I can't say I like these.
Perron especially is one of my least favourite players - he's a guy with spotty hustle and limited hockey sense.
He has always costed more goals than he is worth.

But... they actually aren't that bad.
AP has been injured, that hurts.
Tank is at a career low in SH%, that'll self-fix itself.
Allen was not good in October & first-half of November - but he's been brilliant over last month.

Ultimately, it's a perfect storm.
I think they are still a fringe-playoff team in the tight West.

Moreso - the public comment is a way to get the players to start hustling.
I think they'll be better when AP is back.
Until then, Rutherford/Armstrong just needs to seem active (to save their jobs).

(Cause STL could hire Hextall!)

[Godin]

P7 I actually thought Maroon was a good signing. He brings some toughness to a very talented team. His role in Edmonton was too big for him. In St Louis, he just has to play his game.

[ericdaoust]

I think this team can turn it around quickly. Not this year, but it won't take long. They have a lot of really good prospects who need an opportunity to shine. Just move out a few of the older guys (while collecting picks/prospects obviously) to create some roster space, bring in the younger/faster guys and use the high pick to add yet another top prospect.

Oh, and they also need to fix their goaltending. Allen is too fragile. This part is easier said than done unfortunately.

[Pengwin7]

P7 I actually thought Maroon was a good signing. He brings some toughness to a very talented team. His role in Edmonton was too big for him. In St Louis, he just has to play his game.

Pat Maroon is -15 and has ONE even-strength point in 23gp.
ONE. (And... it was a 2nd assist that came about 1 or 2sec after a PP expired, barely an even-strength point.)

I could make a list of the other NHL players with at least one point even-strength point this year, but I think it would take a while.




(FWIW, Maroon seems like a good person. And him & St.Louis is a "feel good story"... but he is NOT helping that team's on-ice results.)
(FWIW2. I'm quite bitter about him wearing Keith Tkachuk's #7. I own that jersey. I don't like that Maroon is wearing it.)
(FWIW3. I'd love to see some value-metrics on Maroon. I'd speculate his 5-on-5 play qualifies him as worst 5% in the NHL this year.)

[Godin]

Pat Maroon is -15 and has ONE even-strength point in 23gp.
ONE. (And... it was a 2nd assist that came about 1 or 2sec after a PP expired, barely an even-strength point.)

I could make a list of the other NHL players with at least one point even-strength point this year, but I think it would take a while.




(FWIW, Maroon seems like a good person. And him & St.Louis is a "feel good story"... but he is NOT helping that team's on-ice results.)
(FWIW2. I'm quite bitter about him wearing Keith Tkachuk's #7. I own that jersey. I don't like that Maroon is wearing it.)
(FWIW3. I'd love to see some value-metrics on Maroon. I'd speculate his 5-on-5 play qualifies him as worst 5% in the NHL this year.)

Maroon wasn't brought to St Louis to be an offensive catalyst. In Edmonton, Maroon had 36 of his 42 points at even strength in 2016-17 and 27 of 30 last year. He can get it done with the right linemates. No, there isn't McDavid in St Louis but, they have way more talent than the Oilers.

Tarasenko is a -13 and Jay Bo -15. The whole team is practically a minus.

Let's face it, there is a lot more to this story than the players.

[Moses]

This isn't really news. On my commute to/from work I listen to NHL network and they've been on this for at least a couple weeks. The general feeling was they feel their team's core has failed and some of them will be moved.

I believe this is the Athletic article, posted Dec 6:
https://theathletic.com/698246/2018/...-go-from-here/

It is news to me.

[Moses]

Just for fun... Tarasenko and Panarin are close friends. Could they end up in the same place, or have a GM from another team work at getting both of them.

[Jouko-Pouko]

Just for fun... Tarasenko and Panarin are close friends. Could they end up in the same place, or have a GM from another team work at getting both of them.

Those two on the same line would be fun. A right-handed playmaker on the left side and a left-handed shooter on the right side. That could work pretty well.

[Godin]

Just for fun... Tarasenko and Panarin are close friends. Could they end up in the same place, or have a GM from another team work at getting both of them.

I'd be surprised if Tarasenko is traded. St Louis needs a coach and a goalie. They have the rest of the pieces to be competative.

[MZac]

Any rumors on this? St Louis has quite a few impact players that could make a big splash on a contender but I imagine the asking price is high at this stage.

[2014olympicgold]

I'd be surprised if Tarasenko is traded. St Louis needs a coach and a goalie. They have the rest of the pieces to be competative.

over the last month Allen has been great.

In his last 12 starts he's 5-5-1, 0.921s%, and a 2.26GAA.
In his starts, St Louis has scored: 0, 4, 0, 1, 6, 4, 3, 3, 2, 1, 1, 4. (bolded are wins).

Goaltending in the last month has not been the issue really.

[ericdaoust]

over the last month Allen has been great.

In his last 12 starts he's 5-5-1, 0.921s%, and a 2.26GAA.
In his starts, St Louis has scored: 0, 4, 0, 1, 6, 4, 3, 3, 2, 1, 1, 4. (bolded are wins).

Goaltending in the last month has not been the issue really.

That's not the point. Allen has had months where he's been great. He's also had months where he's been awful. He's not a full-year #1 goalie which hurts their ability to be competitive, especially when they don't have Hutton as backup to save their season.