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    P - prospect 150gp

    Rinne 5.99 fpt/gm
    Buchnevich 2.52 (P -31 gm remaining) (IR)
    Gambrell 0.88 (P)
    Kahun 1.61 (P)
    Dermott 1.62 (P)
    2020 2nd

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    Howard 5.5fpt/gm
    Nicolas Roy 0.66 (P)
    2019 1st (top 4)
    2020 1st (likely top 4)

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    bump... lil' help folks
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    I'm not super enlightened with dynasty leagues but I don't think it's veto worthy. Team one gets the better goalie and players and I'm guessing team 2 is really hoping for a first overall in the upcoming drafts. Team 1 wins the trade but veto? I'm not there. I don't see it as a collusion issue (nothing mentioned) or bringing the league into disrepute because of the unbalance.
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    Veto if there is evidence of collusion, if not let the owners learn from their mistakes

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    This one will be impossible to evaluate.

    I've been in leagues where goalies like Rinne are so coveted that a trade with a marquee goalie is always the winning side.
    I've been in leagues where high-draft picks are so coveted that a trade with a top 5 picks is always the winning side.

    League settings & supply/demand will dictate this one.


    Generically, two Top 4 picks in back-to-back years... yeah, that's the side for me.

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    I think it's a pretty even trade.

    Putting my dynasty hat on:

    Rinne = Howard
    Rinne has the skill and team over Howard.
    Rinne has got what a year maybe two in him, whereas howard should have 3 or 4.

    2019 1st = Buchnevich
    Young budding talent for young budding talent
    Pick is a gamble and so is Buch

    Roy & 2020 1st < Kahun & Gambrell & Dermott & 2020 2nd
    This one to me is more quantity over quality, but who knows what those picks turn into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    This one will be impossible to evaluate.

    I've been in leagues where goalies like Rinne are so coveted that a trade with a marquee goalie is always the winning side.
    I've been in leagues where high-draft picks are so coveted that a trade with a top 5 picks is always the winning side.

    League settings & supply/demand will dictate this one.


    Generically, two Top 4 picks in back-to-back years... yeah, that's the side for me.
    This is a really good point. In this pool, value of picks can really depend on the GM.. overall, they hold quite a bit of value vs. say, another dynasty I'm in - where they're traded like Tim Horton's hockey cards.
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    This is not vetoable. Anyone who tried to veto this in my league would be laughed at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Glatt View Post
    This is not vetoable. Anyone who tried to veto this in my league would be laughed at.
    start laughing, it has 4 in six hours - needs one more.
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    I agree... a trade of this magnitude should not be vetoed unless there is collusion.

    I would be some upset if this was my trade and it got vetoed.

    Have you asked each side to explain the reasoning on the vote?

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    Vetoland? What are you talking about? This is up for review and veto? What help do you need with? I'm not sure I understand the question exactly?

    Intial quick thoughts...
    - Rinne will help any team this year.
    - Draft picks help in a few years
    - Until now Jimmy Howard has been next to impossible to trade for YEARS!
    - Whole bunch of youth in there where the vaule lies in the eye of the beholder. Prospect roulette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Vetoland? What are you talking about? This is up for review and veto? What help do you need with? I'm not sure I understand the question exactly?

    Intial quick thoughts...
    - Rinne will help any team this year.
    - Draft picks help in a few years
    - Until now Jimmy Howard has been next to impossible to trade for YEARS!
    - Whole bunch of youth in there where the vaule lies in the eye of the beholder. Prospect roulette.
    I've intentionally left it vague, looking for responses on the value of the deal itself. And yes, 4/5 vetoes.. 5th is coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucafen4 View Post
    I've intentionally left it vague, looking for responses on the value of the deal itself. And yes, 4/5 vetoes.. 5th is coming.
    Rinne side comes out ahead this year. Howard side comes out ahead in future years (if GM can turn those picks into something). Pretty simple looking, cut and dry, now vs then trade to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucafen4 View Post
    I've intentionally left it vague, looking for responses on the value of the deal itself. And yes, 4/5 vetoes.. 5th is coming.

    Now that you know the vetoes are coming... can you please explain to us your thoughts? And why you feel it should get vetoed?

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    Rinne side come out ahead this year. Howard side comes out ahead in future years (if GM can turn those picks into something).
    Especially if either of those top 4 end up being the #1 pick and the guy gets Hughes and/or LAfreniere

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    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinHunter View Post
    Now that you know the vetoes are coming... can you please explain to us your thoughts? And why you feel it should get vetoed?

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    Especially if either of those top 4 end up being the #1 pick and the guy gets Hughes and/or LAfreniere
    Q1 - There's a history with the GM giving up the 1st rounders of making bad deals. Often on the wrong side of them. This is not the first of vetoed deals he has been involved with. When his name shows up in a deal, several GM's are close to clicking veto before viewing the deal.

    I am on the Rinne side, and have in the past landed on the right side of deals with said GM. Mind you, this has been the case with several deals in the past with various other GM's (Stamkos - Boedker, Fiala and a keep 10 redraft 1st - a couple years ago - with a different GM, mind you as an example - that went through)

    Q2 - His team isn't the strongest. Unlikely he lands a top 2 pick. We run a consolation bracket. 12 vs 9, 10 vs 11 - winners play off for #1, 2 picks - losers playoff for 3, 4 picks.
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