William Nylander contract situation

[DusterDave]

Leafs have been awful in the first two games. Maybe dealing Nylander for a D-man isn?t such a crazy idea.

[DJ Rection]

IMO I would trade Nylander for a D-man. The Leafs needs a good all around D-man way more than another winger.

As for the contracts, Dubas could surprise us, but Toronto's tax rate is making it almost impossible for a player to take a "pay cut"...
You need to be making 11M to make the same money as a guy who wins 8M in Texas or Florida...

[audiopile]

Leafs have been awful in the first two games. Maybe dealing Nylander for a D-man isn?t such a crazy idea.

IMO I would trade Nylander for a D-man. The Leafs needs a good all around D-man way more than another winger.

As for the contracts, Dubas could surprise us, but Toronto's tax rate is making it almost impossible for a player to take a "pay cut"...
You need to be making 11M to make the same money as a guy who wins 8M in Texas or Florida...

We will give you Tanev in a heartbeat.

I can dream can't I...?

And then we will have the same issue 2 years later, looking desperately for a reliable puck stopper that doesn't wear a mask and can get it out of our zone. Those guys are so underappreciated.

[butch]

Leafs have been awful in the first two games. Maybe dealing Nylander for a D-man isn?t such a crazy idea.

with the isles rebuilding on the fly and Devon Toews , S. Aho pretty much nhl ready I'd put Nick Leddy on the table as a starting point in a Nylander offer .

good two way guy who can skate like nobodys business that would excel in the leafs system / 5.5 cap hit through 2022 .

[DusterDave]

My comment was made more in a "tongue in cheek" sort of way, as the media likes to say. But the longer this drags out the more I see it as something Dubas and company should consider. Call me an overreacting Leafs fan but I fully expected for them to come out flying but they have been god awful. Only two games, yes, but their performance has been unacceptable and it has shown on the blueline. As for actually trading Nylander, it is hard to judge fair market value trading a young stud winger for a shutdown D-man. Someone I really wanted the Leafs to go after the past 2-3 seasons is Ryan Pulock. Young, right hand shot, big D-man with a booming shot. Babcock's wet dream. My wet dream to be honest. Is Nylander for Pulock straight up an overpayment by the Leafs? Is this something you could see Dubas even consider? I remember lobbying for the Leafs to make this offer when JVR still had 2 years left on his contract and Pulock was playing in the AHL.

[Axeman33]

My comment was made more in a "tongue in cheek" sort of way, as the media likes to say. But the longer this drags out the more I see it as something Dubas and company should consider. Call me an overreacting Leafs fan but I fully expected for them to come out flying but they have been god awful. Only two games, yes, but their performance has been unacceptable and it has shown on the blueline. As for actually trading Nylander, it is hard to judge fair market value trading a young stud winger for a shutdown D-man. Someone I really wanted the Leafs to go after the past 2-3 seasons is Ryan Pulock. Young, right hand shot, big D-man with a booming shot. Babcock's wet dream. My wet dream to be honest. Is Nylander for Pulock straight up an overpayment by the Leafs? Is this something you could see Dubas even consider? I remember lobbying for the Leafs to make this offer when JVR still had 2 years left on his contract and Pulock was playing in the AHL.

An offensive, right-handed shooting Dman is valuable in the NHL, plain and simple. Is it an overpayment if they were to trade Nylander straight up for someone like Pulock? Probably, but that is usually what it takes to acquire those type of Dmen in todays NHL too.

The bigger question, does Pulock even make their D corps better? My guess, NO. They already have plenty of Pulocks on their team; just another offensive guy who has defensive lapses. I've been saying for a couple years now that what they really need on the backend is a rock-solid defensive Dman, not another offensive guy. They aren't playing fantasy hockey and until they can tighten up their play in their own end, the Leafs are pretenders. Why do you think Ron Hainsey is a top four guy in Toronto. I'll tell you why; it's because he's the closest thing that they have to a defensive Dman on their roster. That's their biggest hole right there.

The Leafs look like a fantastic fantasy hockey team but that wont win them the Cup.

[Shao]

Nylander is asking for $8!! $8!!

He won't be a leaf. His team won't back down due to his father. I think most fans don't want him to be overpaid and jeopardize the team's future.

No, he shouldn't take a "pay cut" like he has to. That's not fair. What is fair is to realize how much money he makes on THIS team and the side money down the line if they win. His point totals will likely be higher playing on this team than him as a number one centre or winger on a crappy team.

[Jouko-Pouko]

Nylander is asking for $8!! $8!!

He won't be a leaf. His team won't back down due to his father. I think most fans don't want him to be overpaid and jeopardize the team's future.

No, he shouldn't take a "pay cut" like he has to. That's not fair. What is fair is to realize how much money he makes on THIS team and the side money down the line if they win. His point totals will likely be higher playing on this team than him as a number one centre or winger on a crappy team.

It's not an unrealistic ask. Draisaitl got $8.5M when the cap was lower. He should be willing to consider $7M, though. But if the Leafs are offering him something like $6M, I can understand why he doesn't come down from his ask.

[Axeman33]

The other issue with Nylander comes down to the other kids and their next contract. He doesn't want to sign for something like $6.5M and then watch Marner get something close to $8M next year, thinking he's getting short changed.

Whether we think Marner's worth more or not means nothing. It's what Nylander feels he's worth and will not be the guy who's getting the short end of the salary cap in Toronto, again, in his eyes.

[Shao]

The other issue with Nylander comes down to the other kids and their next contract. He doesn't want to sign for something like $6.5M and then watch Marner get something close to $8M next year, thinking he's getting short changed.

Whether we think Marner's worth more or not means nothing. It's what Nylander feels he's worth and will not be the guy who's getting the short end of the salary cap in Toronto, again, in his eyes.

That's fair. But they use com-parables in negotiation. I believe Nylander's team want the same % as Pastrnak of his team's cap. With the cap to go up, I think they feel justified in their ask of $8.

However, Pastrnak signed before making it big in the points total and is a better player NOW than Nylander. Same can be said for Johnny Hockey.

I agree with the optics of signing for $6.5 whilst the other sign for more in a year. Dubas would reply that Nylander is the 5 - 6th most important player on this team.

I think Willie won't be a Leaf anymore as neither side will give in and I hope he is traded. I don't think we need him as much as we need cap room and a better D man.

[Axeman33]

That's fair. But they use com-parables in negotiation. I believe Nylander's team want the same % as Pastrnak of his team's cap. With the cap to go up, I think they feel justified in their ask of $8.

However, Pastrnak signed before making it big in the points total and is a better player NOW than Nylander. Same can be said for Johnny Hockey.

I agree with the optics of signing for $6.5 whilst the other sign for more in a year. Dubas would reply that Nylander is the 5 - 6th most important player on this team.

I think Willie won't be a Leaf anymore as neither side will give in and I hope he is traded. I don't think we need him as much as we need cap room and a better D man.

You could have said the same about Tavares.

[Shao]

You could have said the same about Tavares.

True. But he is way better. And now with him, makes Nylander even less needed.

[Daydream Nation]

The other issue with Nylander comes down to the other kids and their next contract. He doesn't want to sign for something like $6.5M and then watch Marner get something close to $8M next year, thinking he's getting short changed.

Whether we think Marner's worth more or not means nothing. It's what Nylander feels he's worth and will not be the guy who's getting the short end of the salary cap in Toronto, again, in his eyes.

Marner getting close to 8? Read an article today in the Athletic which talks about projecting Marner this season and his point totals compared to Eichel and Draisaitl. I bet Marner doesn't take a penny under 8 and has a good case for 9-10.

As an observer without a dog in this fight, I think it is fascinating to see how this plays out. Wish Bowman would have negotiated a little tougher with the Hawks extensions over the years instead of always paying top dollar and throwing around no-trade clauses like they were nothing. But I digress...

[Belexus75]

if Marner has more games as he had last night against senators his pay cut will be around 9 mil...

both his assist and goal were insane ...

[Axeman33]

Marner getting close to 8? Read an article today in the Athletic which talks about projecting Marner this season and his point totals compared to Eichel and Draisaitl. I bet Marner doesn't take a penny under 8 and has a good case for 9-10.

As an observer without a dog in this fight, I think it is fascinating to see how this plays out. Wish Bowman would have negotiated a little tougher with the Hawks extensions over the years instead of always paying top dollar and throwing around no-trade clauses like they were nothing. But I digress...

Well, when I say close to $8M, that could be taken a little above, or a little below.

The funny part is Leafs Management have already come out and said they expect all of their high-end forwards to take a little less for the team to stay together. (https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl...ions-1.4849758)

Good luck with that.