Witch goalie propect is the better (in 3-4 years)?

[Dave Muir]

Hi guys,

Can you please rank those goalie prospects, not for now, but who will be the better to own in 3-4 years?

Samsonov
Sorokin
Shesterkin
Gillies
Blackwood
Ullmark
Jarry
Dell
Georgiev

Thanks in advance!!

[Ice chips]

Goalies are voodoo. Can?t predict such things. The Russian goalies in that order I think have the highest upside. Dell and jarry are both stuck behind young tho often injured goalies, both could play a handful or 30 games this year. Additionally both could be claimed by Seattle in the next expansion draft. Gillis and Ullmark have potential but Gillis?s numbers never have struck me as elite and Ullmark is now stuck behind hutton?s new shiny contract. I?m just not a fan of Blackwood and Georgiv for some reason, minor league numbers have been meh. Lol

[Axeman33]

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You got one of those? LOL!

Right now, I'd rank them:

Ullmark
Jarry
Samsonov
Dell
Shesterkin/Sorokin
Gillies
Georgiev
Blackwood

In six months, that list could flip three times over.

[ericdaoust]

I'd go Samsonov as the best prospect to own

[Dave Muir]

9519798-swami-gazing-into-a-crystal-ball.jpg

You got one of those? LOL!

Right now, I'd rank them:

Ullmark
Jarry
Samsonov
Dell
Shesterkin/Sorokin
Gillies
Georgiev
Blackwood

In six months, that list could flip three times over.

In fact, I got two of them (Samsonov & Blackwood) LOL!! I was just curious where they rank in the others opinions!
I am personnaly not sold at all on Blackwood and all the other goalies listed are available in my next draft, so I could grab one easily late.

[Eskimo Brother]

I think Axe was joking about whether you have a crystal ball haha.

I would put Jarry/Samsonov at the top of the list, and Blackwood at the bottom. Not going to bother trying to order the middle tier though.

[senryu]

Samsonov
Ullmark
Jarry
Sorokin
Shesterkin
Dell
Gillies
Georgiev
Blackwood

The only thing I'm confident in is that Blackwood is last in this list. Everything else is like predicting how many raindrops a storm will produce.

[Slythefly]

Ville Husso is already drafted?

[Dave Muir]

Ville Husso is already drafted?

No, he is still available. You think he worth it?

[agentzero]

I would have been tempted to answer exactly like Axe. In 3-4 years, it will be 2022. The cap will be different, a lockout might happen ad any of those prospects' trajectories could change so easily. So with that in mind, I would view them as stocks, where their names carries value. The ones closer to the NHL have more value and the ones who are a way's away have much less. They have far less perceived value (unless someone is in love with them in your league). With that in mind, Samsonov is tops on the list followed by Jarry (due to injuries to Murray...). After that, I would readily package any of those guys for upgrades and immediate help. Outside Sorokin, none are really worth a rather long wait and they seem like they will be to be.

[Dave Muir]

I would have been tempted to answer exactly like Axe. In 3-4 years, it will be 2022. The cap will be different, a lockout might happen ad any of those prospects' trajectories could change so easily. So with that in mind, I would view them as stocks, where their names carries value. The ones closer to the NHL have more value and the ones who are a way's away have much less. They have far less perceived value (unless someone is in love with them in your league). With that in mind, Samsonov is tops on the list followed by Jarry (due to injuries to Murray...). After that, I would readily package any of those guys for upgrades and immediate help. Outside Sorokin, none are really worth a rather long wait and they seem like they will be to be.

So you would't recommend me to use a pick (even a late one) to grab any of those? the other players availables for those pick are marginals players who will 90% never be even on my bench...

[agentzero]

So you would't recommend me to use a pick (even a late one) to grab any of those? the other players availables for those pick are marginals players who will 90% never be even on my bench...

I would recommend you absolutely grab them but just be realistic as to when they will provide any value to you. If you can flip them for a much better upgrade to your current roster, it is worth it. This is for two reasons: 1) the future can change so much, especially for goalies, in a few years. So even a seemingly can't miss prospect can become a "never-was" in short order, especially if he is playing in Russia. 2) 3-4 years allows for so many other prospects to become household names or crawl out from under a rock and become stud, can't-miss prospects who are closer to the show. Three years ago, Thatcher Demko wasn't exactly heralded as the second-coming. Now, he is being regarded as the best (or second-best) goalie prospect by so many. In three years, there will be many more of those guys.

So what I am saying is your best bet with a prospect (especially a goalie), outside a surefire generational/superstar talent that is sure to play in the NHL, is to trade them for immediate help. The venerable Jeff Angus (a former writer on Dobber) used to say to never plan outside a 2-3 year window with your whole squad. There are of course exceptions, but those exceptions have to be worth it. The only goalie on which I sat for 2-3 years was Tuukka Rask and he turned out pretty good. I didn't draft Hellebuyck until after his NHL debut (before his rookie year). I have never sat and waited on a prospect outside the NHL for 3 full years.

[DocMcPuffin]

I was tempted to take a run at Sorokin or Shestyorkin but will wait. Sorokin won't be here for a couple of more years and there's a real good chance he may never come. Shestyorkin is closer but still a gamble. I'd say Samsonov, Husso and maybe Jarry. Still may have to wait but could be closer than most.

[DocMcPuffin]

I would recommend you absolutely grab them but just be realistic as to when they will provide any value to you. If you can flip them for a much better upgrade to your current roster, it is worth it. This is for two reasons: 1) the future can change so much, especially for goalies, in a few years. So even a seemingly can't miss prospect can become a "never-was" in short order, especially if he is playing in Russia. 2) 3-4 years allows for so many other prospects to become household names or crawl out from under a rock and become stud, can't-miss prospects who are closer to the show. Three years ago, Thatcher Demko wasn't exactly heralded as the second-coming. Now, he is being regarded as the best (or second-best) goalie prospect by so many. In three years, there will be many more of those guys.

So what I am saying is your best bet with a prospect (especially a goalie), outside a surefire generational/superstar talent that is sure to play in the NHL, is to trade them for immediate help. The venerable Jeff Angus (a former writer on Dobber) used to say to never plan outside a 2-3 year window with your whole squad. There are of course exceptions, but those exceptions have to be worth it. The only goalie on which I sat for 2-3 years was Tuukka Rask and he turned out pretty good. I didn't draft Hellebuyck until after his NHL debut (before his rookie year). I have never sat and waited on a prospect outside the NHL for 3 full years.

I've only done it with Kaprizov and REALLY hope it was worth it.

[agentzero]

I've only done it with Kaprizov and REALLY hope it was worth it.

He probably will be, but he isn't a goalie. For so many reasons, that position is so hard to figure out. Limited space on each team for one.. That's just the nature. So valuable yet so unpredictable. Gah!