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    Default Should I offer Tavares & a low-end forward for Rantanen & Landeskog?

    Trying to decide if this offer makes sense. League in sig, and it's basically points only, but there's a small efficiency boost to have NHL teammates. With Tavares now on Toronto, he is devalued to me, even if he produces the exact same stats. Getting Rantanen & Landeskog gives an efficiency boost to MacKinnon, and he to them.

    The boost comes down to how many assists are needed to convert a potential goal into a goal, based on some charts, and having NHL teammates on the same line. Thankfully we no longer have actual dice rolls being used. The league predates most - we've been going since the late 1990's. No real danger of folding.

    I think Rantanen is likely 90% of Tavares, and that's close enough. Landeskog would be an upgrade on my bottom forwards.

    Forwards I'd consider offering are below, the first two are likely drops for me after rookie draft:
    Namestnikov
    Nyquist
    Tuch
    Bjorkstrand

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    G: Holtby
    Backup G: F Andersen
    D: Carlson, Niskanen, Orlov, Letang, Klingberg, Gostisbehere
    F1: Voracek, Giroux, Couturier
    TBD:
    F2: Wheeler, Schiefele
    F3: Benn, Seguin,
    F4: Stamkos, Point
    F5: Tavares, Bailey
    Spare: MacKinnon

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    G: (none)
    D: M Reilly, Ekman-Larsson, Werenski
    F: JT Miller, Namestnikov, Guentzel, Pavelski, Killorn, Bjorkstrand, Tuch, Labanc, Nyquist, Sprong

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    Default Re: Should I offer Tavares & a low-end forward for Rantanen & Landeskog?

    Keep tavares no matter what your settings are imo.

    Landeskog not worth it imo. Even if your teamate boost (i don’t know how that is calculated), i would still keep tavares down the line.

    You could trade rantanen for marner/nylander? I would rather have a tavares any day
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    Default Re: Should I offer Tavares & a low-end forward for Rantanen & Landeskog?

    I've said it in many a thread, but those expecting big things from Tavares should be prepared for disappointment. Babcock doesn't give out ice time the way Tavares is used to, meaning he'll get 90 second less of total ice time and a 50% reduction in PP Time if Babcock holds true to what he did last season. If you can use Tavares to get Rantanen and another asset, I think it's something seriously worth exploring.
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    Default Re: Should I offer Tavares & a low-end forward for Rantanen & Landeskog?

    I made the following trades involving JT this summer with no regrets whatsoever.

    tavares for nolan patrick & rikard rakell

    tavares for seguin & k. bellows

    tavares straight up for draisaitl

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    Default Re: Should I offer Tavares & a low-end forward for Rantanen & Landeskog?

    Quote Originally Posted by butch View Post
    I made the following trades involving JT this summer with no regrets whatsoever.

    tavares for nolan patrick & rikard rakell

    tavares for seguin & k. bellows

    tavares straight up for draisaitl
    Wow. Complete abandon ship Some decent returns there though.
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    3-C 3-RW 3-LW 6-D 2-G Played each night. 6-Reserve spots forward - 2-goal 1-assist
    D-men - 3-goal 1.5-assist
    1-PPP or SHP .1-shot .1-hit .1-block .05-face-off win
    Goalie 3-win .1-save & negative .5 goal against


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    Bergeron,Trocheck, Kuznetsov, Zibanejad
    RW: Seguin, Kucherov, Teravainen, Brown
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    Quote Originally Posted by RizzeeDizzee View Post
    I've said it in many a thread, but those expecting big things from Tavares should be prepared for disappointment. Babcock doesn't give out ice time the way Tavares is used to, meaning he'll get 90 second less of total ice time and a 50% reduction in PP Time if Babcock holds true to what he did last season. If you can use Tavares to get Rantanen and another asset, I think it's something seriously worth exploring.
    wouldn't you hate it though if Tavares does end up a 100 pts player and you actually had him but traded? I'd keep him this year just to check, even though his value might decrease by end of season
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    , Schenn,
    RW:

    D:
    Hamilton, Doughty
    G: Talbot
    , Holtby

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    Default Re: Should I offer Tavares & a low-end forward for Rantanen & Landeskog?

    I would like to see Tavares deployment in TO before I trade him for anything but damn close to his worth from last season.
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    D-men - 3-goal 1.5-assist
    1-PPP or SHP .1-shot .1-hit .1-block .05-face-off win
    Goalie 3-win .1-save & negative .5 goal against


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    RW: Seguin, Kucherov, Teravainen, Brown
    LW: Ovechkin, Pacioretti, Zetterberg, Fiala, Perreault
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    Default Re: Should I offer Tavares & a low-end forward for Rantanen & Landeskog?

    Tavares
    1 Team Points Only Pool 12 Teamer
    We Keep 4 Players

    C - Kopitar, Giroux (C/LW)
    LW - Hall, Ehlers
    RW - Tarasenko, Seguin(C/RW)
    Util - MacKinnon, Getzlaf
    D - Karlsson , Burns,Letang
    G - Bishop, Vasilevskiy


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    G A PPP +/- PIM SOG HITS
    W GAA SV SV% SHO

    C- Getzlaf, Thornton, Point (C/RW) Couturier, Duchene (C/RW)
    Duchene (C/RW), Shaw (C/RW), Zacha (C/LW) Krejci

    LW - Ehlers, Skinner, Perron (LW/RW), Rust (LW/RW), Domi

    RW - Kucherov, Kessel, Stone, Radulov

    D - Carlson, Klingberg, Hamilton, Fowler, Borowieke

    G - Holtby, Allen, Bobrovsky, Reimer

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    Default Re: Should I offer Tavares & a low-end forward for Rantanen & Landeskog?

    If it helps knowing the kind of return you could be looking for, I traded Tavares and C. Crawford for Tarasenko and Matt Murray in my league.
    8 team Keep:3FW,1D,1D/F,1G;G(3),A(2),+/-(1),PIM(1),PPP(1),SOG(0.4)
    C:Draisaitl(RW), Kuznetsov, E. Staal
    RW:Laine, Tarasenko
    LW:Forsberg, Ehlers, Huberdeau
    D: Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Provorov, Sergachev, E. Johnson
    G:Murray, Allen, Darling


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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    Keep tavares no matter what your settings are imo.

    Landeskog not worth it imo. Even if your teamate boost (i don’t know how that is calculated), i would still keep tavares down the line.

    You could trade rantanen for marner/nylander? I would rather have a tavares any day
    I don't have Rantanen, and cannot get any Maple Leaf forwards of note to go with Tavares. Frankly, the guys I can get wouldn't crack my lineup, maybe not my roster.

    I'd be getting Rantanen & Landeskog for Tavares and a forward I am cutting post-draft.
    10 team Head-to-head true dynasty. Roster 33, draft 2, cut down before season. Start 1 G, 1-2 backup G's, 6 D, 12 F arranged in 4 lines of 3. Only categories that matter are Goals, Assists, Save% with a shutout bonus. Having NHL teammates helps.

    G: Holtby
    Backup G: F Andersen
    D: Carlson, Niskanen, Orlov, Letang, Klingberg, Gostisbehere
    F1: Voracek, Giroux, Couturier
    TBD:
    F2: Wheeler, Schiefele
    F3: Benn, Seguin,
    F4: Stamkos, Point
    F5: Tavares, Bailey
    Spare: MacKinnon

    Bench:
    G: (none)
    D: M Reilly, Ekman-Larsson, Werenski
    F: JT Miller, Namestnikov, Guentzel, Pavelski, Killorn, Bjorkstrand, Tuch, Labanc, Nyquist, Sprong

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    Quote Originally Posted by butch View Post
    I made the following trades involving JT this summer with no regrets whatsoever.

    tavares for nolan patrick & rikard rakell

    tavares for seguin & k. bellows

    tavares straight up for draisaitl
    I like the 2nd deal a lot, and the last deal is a challenge trade, a slight upgrade if you break out forward slots.
    10 team Head-to-head true dynasty. Roster 33, draft 2, cut down before season. Start 1 G, 1-2 backup G's, 6 D, 12 F arranged in 4 lines of 3. Only categories that matter are Goals, Assists, Save% with a shutout bonus. Having NHL teammates helps.

    G: Holtby
    Backup G: F Andersen
    D: Carlson, Niskanen, Orlov, Letang, Klingberg, Gostisbehere
    F1: Voracek, Giroux, Couturier
    TBD:
    F2: Wheeler, Schiefele
    F3: Benn, Seguin,
    F4: Stamkos, Point
    F5: Tavares, Bailey
    Spare: MacKinnon

    Bench:
    G: (none)
    D: M Reilly, Ekman-Larsson, Werenski
    F: JT Miller, Namestnikov, Guentzel, Pavelski, Killorn, Bjorkstrand, Tuch, Labanc, Nyquist, Sprong

    Reserve:
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    Surprised to see how many of you are down on Tavares here. I?d keep him and try to pick up a Leafs winger to pair him with. It is anyone?s guess as to what the lines will look like this season. The early rumours are:

    Marleau - Matthews - Nylander
    Hyman - Tavares - Marner

    But you know those lines will get shuffled up a bit. I?d take a chance at acquiring any of the above to pair with Tavares, even an Andreas Johnsson could do you well (assuming he could crack your lineup).

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    Default Re: Should I offer Tavares & a low-end forward for Rantanen & Landeskog?

    You know I'm a Leafs fan Steve, gotta go JT here. I think the return is great with Rantanen and Lando, plus it will be nice to own linemates, but Tavares is far too enticing to let go before watching any games. He and Marner can make magic this year. I would hold. Also assume that Lando has to take the place of another forward? So likely isn't a two for one with you dropping whoever is being offered alongside JT anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RizzeeDizzee View Post
    I've said it in many a thread, but those expecting big things from Tavares should be prepared for disappointment. Babcock doesn't give out ice time the way Tavares is used to, meaning he'll get 90 second less of total ice time and a 50% reduction in PP Time if Babcock holds true to what he did last season. If you can use Tavares to get Rantanen and another asset, I think it's something seriously worth exploring.
    Agreed. From a leafs fan, seel into the euphoria

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    I feel that’s a good return. Is the boost significant enough? I’d still like to keep Tavares
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    18 teams, keep 12/18 players.
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