Trade Offer: Werenski+ for Keller

[buddha71]

Hi Everyone,

I have just been offered Werenski plus 2 second round picks (#10 and #13, 8 team league) for Keller. Our draft is basically a free agent draft. Any NHL team affiliated player not already owned.

Adding Werenski would solidify my defense for years to come. Having a young core of d-men like Jones, Werenski, Ekblad, Pulock and Butcher is pretty enticing. I hate to give up Keller though. What do you guys think?

Thanks for any input.

[Eskimo Brother]

So it ends up with (20+10)*8=240 players kept? And you would have two extra picks around the 250 range?
If you're confident in your drafting vs your leagmuemates, then I would say it's close. Keller is certainly the best player in the deal, and that's always tough to give up. Is there any chance you can condense the two picks into one piece that's a little more valuable to you?

[buddha71]

So it ends up with (20+10)*8=240 players kept? And you would have two extra picks around the 250 range?
If you're confident in your drafting vs your leagmuemates, then I would say it's close. Keller is certainly the best player in the deal, and that's always tough to give up. Is there any chance you can condense the two picks into one piece that's a little more valuable to you?

We have 8 gms. Each team holds 30 players during the season, of which 20 (6 must be defensemen, and 2 goalies) are active. The remaining 10 players are kind of like a taxi squad. We are allowed to make 20 roster moves during the season. At the end of the season, we must protect 20 players, and the remaining players go back into the free agent pool. So you're looking at 160 protected players total. So you're looking at 2018 draftees, plus everyone else. Hope I explained that okay.

[lucafen4]

so D are the only ones that accumulate hits and blocks? and forwards are points only? That really lowers Werenski's value - you need multi-cat studs on D, not light hitting/blocking Werenski. This set up makes peripheral D essential to doing well. Someone like Boroweicki would hold similar value to Werenski based on his massive hit totals.

I keep Keller here.

[Eskimo Brother]

We have 8 gms. Each team holds 30 players during the season, of which 20 (6 must be defensemen, and 2 goalies) are active. The remaining 10 players are kind of like a taxi squad. We are allowed to make 20 roster moves during the season. At the end of the season, we must protect 20 players, and the remaining players go back into the free agent pool. So you're looking at 160 protected players total. So you're looking at 2018 draftees, plus everyone else. Hope I explained that okay.

Yeah sorry, I misread your signature. Thought it was keep 20 plus a 10 person farm system.
I agree with Luca, that you need more peripherals from your D. Keep Keller for now. (I missed the hits/blocks part of your signature as well - just read points only).

[Moses]

I would respectfully pass on this one and not pursue it any further. Keller just dropped 65 points as a rookie. As. A. Rookie.

Your league counts: Forwards Points Only, D Points, Hits, Blocks, Goalies Wins and Shutouts.

I don't think you want to move Keller, or at least not yet anyway. His value has not peaked yet. Just have a look at the list below of the most points scored in a rookie season since the 2005 lockout.

[lucafen4]

Just to piggy back this, there's another article out there, I can't recall if it was from a Dobber writer or Travis Yost, but it analyzed the team around him and how poor the Yotes were offensively as a whole. It basically obliterates those on the list Moses posted. That kid is legit, we're talking 90+pt ceiling. and a very high floor.

I would respectfully pass on this one and not pursue it any further. Keller just dropped 65 points as a rookie. As. A. Rookie.

Your league counts: Forwards Points Only, D Points, Hits, Blocks, Goalies Wins and Shutouts.

I don't think you want to move Keller, or at least not yet anyway. His value has not peaked yet. Just have a look at the list below of the most points scored in a rookie season since the 2005 lockout.

[buddha71]

so D are the only ones that accumulate hits and blocks? and forwards are points only? That really lowers Werenski's value - you need multi-cat studs on D, not light hitting/blocking Werenski. This set up makes peripheral D essential to doing well. Someone like Boroweicki would hold similar value to Werenski based on his massive hit totals.

I keep Keller here.

Yes, D are the only ones who accumulate points on hits and blocks, but it is only .05 per hit, and .10 per block, so it is heavily weighted in favour of points. So Borowiecki would have added about 22 points to his 11 points scored (. Not enough to be draftworthy, but your point is well taken. Someone like Edler would have been a shrewd pick last year for his combination of points, blocks, and hits. Risto seems to be the gold standard for this combination.

[buddha71]

Thanks for the replies! I told him that I am leaning towards declining in the hope that he may sweeten his offer. What would you guys think if I got him to add Luc-Dubois to the deal?

[rd69]

I'd have to consider that. Dubois + Werenski + 10th & 13th picks (in a draft that has only 160 keepers + new draftees) for Keller is pretty sweet.

I think the value is more than fair, but it's hard to trade potentially elite players like him, even if the return is great.

Something to consider-- if you add an extra player to the deal that means you'd have to cut an extra player. Do you know who that would be?

[buddha71]

I'd have to consider that. Dubois + Werenski + 10th & 13th picks (in a draft that has only 160 keepers + new draftees) for Keller is pretty sweet.

I think the value is more than fair, but it's hard to trade potentially elite players like him, even if the return is great.

Something to consider-- if you add an extra player to the deal that means you'd have to cut an extra player. Do you know who that would be?

Thanks for the reply. Here is my list of who I plan to keep. Not exactly an embarrassement of riches. I would probably drop Zibanejad.

Gibson

Raanta

Ekblad

Pulock

Butcher

Chychrun

Montour

Shattenkirk

Jones

Hall

Hischier

Patrick

Konecny

Zibanejad

Buchnevic

Barzal

Lee

Keller

Point

Strome

[stevegamer]

Thanks for the replies! I told him that I am leaning towards declining in the hope that he may sweeten his offer. What would you guys think if I got him to add Luc-Dubois to the deal?

I'd do that. You'd upgrade nicely on D, get a young forward, who while not as high upside as Keller, is a solid long-term keeper, and have two extra shots at prospects looking for stars.