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    1 Dahlin, Rasmus LD Vastra Frolunda SweE
    2 Svechnikov, Andrei RW/C Barrie OHL
    3 Zadina, Filip RW Halifax QMJHL
    4 Tkachuk, Brady C Boston U. H.E
    5 Wahlstrom, Oliver C USA U18 NTDP
    6 Bouchard, Evan RD London OHL
    7 Hughes, Quinn LD U. of Michigan Big Ten
    8 Dobson, Noah RD Acadie-Bathurst QMJHL
    9 Boqvist, Adam LD Brynas IF Jr. SweJE
    10 Veleno, Joseph C Drummondville QMJHL
    11 Farabee, Joel LW USA U18 NTDP
    12 Hayton, Barrett C Sault Ste. Marie OHL
    13 Kaut, Martin RW Pardubice CzeE
    14 Noel, Serron RW Oshawa OHL
    15 Kupari, Rasmus C Karpat Oulu FinE
    16 Kotkaniemi, Jesperi C Assat FinE
    17 Ginning, Adam RD Linkoping HC SweE
    18 Denisenko, Grigori LW Yaroslavl Loko RusJr
    19 Smith, Ty LD Spokane WHL
    20 Lundestrom, Isac C Lulea HF SweE
    21 McIsaac, Jared LD Halifax QMJHL
    22 Groulx, Benoit-Olivier C Halifax QMJHL
    23 Wilde, Bode RD USA U18 NTDP
    24 Alexeyev, Alexander RD Red Deer WHL
    25 Bernard-Docker, Jacob RD Okotoks AJHL
    26 McLeod, Ryan C Mississauga OHL
    27 Thomas, Akil C Niagara OHL
    28 Bokk, Dominik LW Vaxjo SweJE
    29 Marchenko, Kirill RW Khanty Mansiysk RusJr
    30 Berggren, Jonatan RW Skelleftea SweJr
    31 Samuelsson, Matthias LD USA U18 NTDP


    Goalies
    1 Rodrigue, Olivier G Drummondville QMJHL
    2 Mandolese, Kevin G Cape Breton QMJH


    10 Team, Points Only, Cash League

    25 Man Roster (no position), top 20 point getters count at end of month
    Keep 20/25 at seasons end, Cut 5 to FA for redrafting
    Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt

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    No kravstov and no bump to kotkaniemi like others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazz View Post
    No kravstov and no bump to kotkaniemi like others.
    both have been very low on ISS rankings all year - not sure Kravstov made it higher than 25 at any point
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucafen4 View Post
    both have been very low on ISS rankings all year - not sure Kravstov made it higher than 25 at any point
    Yeah I've been waiting to see if they've give kravstov a bump. He's a prospect with a lot of varying opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucafen4 View Post
    both have been very low on ISS rankings all year - not sure Kravstov made it higher than 25 at any point
    ISS has a tendency to undervalue European prospects. It was very noticeable last year when they didn't have Heiskanen in their top 30 for most of the season. I think they added him for last two months when it was already obvious he was going to be a very high pick. Not sure if it's because they don't have enough scouts in Europe or because their European scouts can't get their voice heard there. Strong preference for prospects who play in North America.

    Then again, having Ginning that high goes against what I just said. I have no explanation for that. Taking Ginning that high would be equally good as it was for the Jets to take Logan Stanley in that range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko-Pouko View Post
    ISS has a tendency to undervalue European prospects. It was very noticeable last year when they didn't have Heiskanen in their top 30 for most of the season. I think they added him for last two months when it was already obvious he was going to be a very high pick. Not sure if it's because they don't have enough scouts in Europe or because their European scouts can't get their voice heard there. Strong preference for prospects who play in North America.

    Then again, having Ginning that high goes against what I just said. I have no explanation for that. Taking Ginning that high would be equally good as it was for the Jets to take Logan Stanley in that range.
    You pointed that out to me a while back and I take their rankings, with euro guys, with a little grain of salt. I try to take in as much information as I can but you have to know the strengths and weaknesses of publications/scouts/draft gurus.
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    G A Pt +/- PIM SoG PPP H+B FOW
    W Svs GAA Sv% SO

    C Kuzy Wenneberg Dvorak Eller
    LW Domi Aho Ritchie Sobotka
    RW Tarasenko J Williams Laine Sheary
    D Klefbom M Rielly Spurgeon Provorov Lindell MacAvoy
    R Sheahan Cogliano Kase Schmaltz Ellis Anston-Reese Tolvanen

    G Rinne MAF
    R Kuemper

    M White Bjork Klostin Raddysh Senyshyn Soderstorm DeSmith Gilles


    10 Team Salary H2H Dynasty
    FOW G A SOG 2G+A STP H+B
    W L Svs GAA Sv% SO

    C Giroux MacKinnon Zibby Kuzy
    LW Laine Huberdeau Guentzel
    RW Draisaitl Marner Buchnevich
    D Josi Faulk OEL McAvoy Dumba
    R Koency Okposo Tolvanen McAvoy Miller

    G Bishop Raanta
    R Schneider

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    Ty Smith at 19 sticks out to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazz View Post
    You pointed that out to me a while back and I take their rankings, with euro guys, with a little grain of salt. I try to take in as much information as I can but you have to know the strengths and weaknesses of publications/scouts/draft gurus.
    That's the right way to look at things. Everyone and all the groups have their blind spots and their tendencies/biases. You can learn something from all the rankings if you just know what those things are.
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    JP, in your opinion, who has the most reliable ranking for European players? I'm trying to up my game on prospects research a bit this summer, and it's tough to find unbiased opinions from this side of the Atlantic. I feel like I'm just so overly immersed in Toronto area media that it's hard for the other voices to not get drowned out, and that just leaves me targeting the same players as everyone else in my pools.

    Edit: Outside of DobberProspects articles of course. Definitely love those, it's actually why I'm singling JP out to ask him for more advice! Hah.

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    Kotkaniemi 16th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingolo View Post
    JP, in your opinion, who has the most reliable ranking for European players? I'm trying to up my game on prospects research a bit this summer, and it's tough to find unbiased opinions from this side of the Atlantic. I feel like I'm just so overly immersed in Toronto area media that it's hard for the other voices to not get drowned out, and that just leaves me targeting the same players as everyone else in my pools.

    Edit: Outside of DobberProspects articles of course. Definitely love those, it's actually why I'm singling JP out to ask him for more advice! Hah.
    Corey Pronman and Steve Kournianos (TheDraftAnalyst.com) seem to be two guys with reliable rankings of European players. I'm not saying I agree with them 100% but they're good talent evaluators, and based on their Twitter activity, they watch a ton of European hockey.

    I would also recommend the website DraftinEU.com for more information about European prospects, and if you're on Twitter, Dennis Schellenberg (European Head Scout at FutureConsiderations) is a good guy to follow.

    Most international scouting services undervalue European prospects because most of their scouts are in North America and don't have similar access to games in European leagues, so you're right, it's really difficult to find rankings that properly valuate both North American prospects as well as European prospects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko-Pouko View Post
    Corey Pronman and Steve Kournianos (TheDraftAnalyst.com) seem to be two guys with reliable rankings of European players. I'm not saying I agree with them 100% but they're good talent evaluators, and based on their Twitter activity, they watch a ton of European hockey.

    I would also recommend the website DraftinEU.com for more information about European prospects, and if you're on Twitter, Dennis Schellenberg (European Head Scout at FutureConsiderations) is a good guy to follow.

    Most international scouting services undervalue European prospects because most of their scouts are in North America and don't have similar access to games in European leagues, so you're right, it's really difficult to find rankings that properly valuate both North American prospects as well as European prospects.
    This also explains in part why so much emphasis gets put on international tournaments. it's the only time prospects can be evaluated together - against one another directly. Rightly or wrongly, WJC & U18's hold as much weight as they do & influence rankings because of this
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucafen4 View Post
    This also explains in part why so much emphasis gets put on international tournaments. it's the only time prospects can be evaluated together - against one another directly. Rightly or wrongly, WJC & U18's hold as much weight as they do & influence rankings because of this
    This is true. Biggest mistakes are usually made because someone makes a decision based on one short tournament. Players can be scorching hot or ice cold during a short tournament but decisions are often made based on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko-Pouko View Post
    Corey Pronman and Steve Kournianos (TheDraftAnalyst.com) seem to be two guys with reliable rankings of European players. I'm not saying I agree with them 100% but they're good talent evaluators, and based on their Twitter activity, they watch a ton of European hockey.

    I would also recommend the website DraftinEU.com for more information about European prospects, and if you're on Twitter, Dennis Schellenberg (European Head Scout at FutureConsiderations) is a good guy to follow.

    Most international scouting services undervalue European prospects because most of their scouts are in North America and don't have similar access to games in European leagues, so you're right, it's really difficult to find rankings that properly valuate both North American prospects as well as European prospects.
    Awesome! Thanks. Knew you'd have a solid view of it. I find that with sports reporting (or any news reporting at all really), the best way to be informed is to find as many different viewpoints as I can.

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