Reply With Quotelets say he drops down to 65 points. Any player you draft with that 4th pick will take 2-3 maybe more years to get to that point unless you get very lucky. Keep what you got.
Is Rantanen really a sell high?
Hey guys!
I recently read on the Ramblings that Rantanen's stats screamed regression... let's just say that MacKinnon's great season will also be hard to repeat..
Question is: is it worth to trade him (keeper cap league) for a 4th overall pick that includes any players that were unsigned (so Pettersson and Tolvanen also count).. So taking for granted that Dahlin is 1st overall it could turn out to be any of Svech, Zadina, Borgstrom, Pettersson or Tolvanen...
Would you consider this if you were a contender?
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Re: Is Rantanen really a sell high?
lets say he drops down to 65 points. Any player you draft with that 4th pick will take 2-3 maybe more years to get to that point unless you get very lucky. Keep what you got.
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Re: Is Rantanen really a sell high?
I'd keep Rantanen over trading him for the unknown in the draft pic. If you are lucky, the 4th overall becomes as good as Rantanen is just turning in to.
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Re: Is Rantanen really a sell high?
I only trade Rantanen for a surer thing than Rantanen.
Re: Is Rantanen really a sell high?
This, or an equally sure thing at another position, or a guy with a bit more upside that's about as proven. For a rookie pick, no way.Originally Posted by audiopile
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Re: Is Rantanen really a sell high?
Keep him. Even with regression he's miles ahead of what you'll get next year from the players mentioned or this year's draft class.
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Re: Is Rantanen really a sell high?
This isn't a sell-high trade.
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Re: Is Rantanen really a sell high?
I wouldn't consider it if I was in a rebuild, and definitely not if I was a contender. Even with a regression, he's got all the ingredients you want in a young keeper player, except unlike those high flying prospects he's actually gone out and proven something. It just seems like a dice roll you don't need to take.
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Re: Is Rantanen really a sell high?
I don't see MacKinnon and Rantanen suddenly becoming 70 and 60 point players.
They have insane chemistry with Landeskog and they are fixtures on the PP with Barrie & Co.
They might not be 95-85 point guys every year, but they won't completely fall off a cliff either.
I expect an average of 78-85 for MacKinnon and 68-74 for Rantanen most years. With the occasional big years mixed in like 18-19.
Rantanen is still a baby too. I wouldn't be trading him for a draft pick.
"Selling high" on Rantanen would be cashing him in for Matthews, Laine or Kucherov - not a 4th overall draft pick lol.
Re: Is Rantanen really a sell high?
Selling high is always relative to what you can extract. In this case, it's clearly not enough. Get into multiple picks where you could draft a few of the names mentioned and we could be in range.
I do consider Rantanen a regression candidate. Or rather, that it would be really difficult for him to do much better than he did this season. 35 PPP is a massive haul, and PP performances fluctuate from year to year. He could lose 15 points from the power play and I wouldn't bat an eye, but that would also still leave him in around the 70-point level, which is awesome and better than what you're likely to get from any one prospect.
Re: Is Rantanen really a sell high?
I got another offer on the table: Fiala and the 1st round
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Re: Is Rantanen really a sell high?
If you keep entertaining these bad offers you'll talk yourself into making a bad trade. Again, this is not sell-high. A sell-high deal would be moving him for a guy like Laine.
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Re: Is Rantanen really a sell high?
To me that's just another mediocre offer.
Unless you get something you simply can't refuse, an offer that blows you away, keep Rantanen.
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Re: Is Rantanen really a sell high?
I wouldn't do it.
Re: Is Rantanen really a sell high?
Keep Rantanen. He's going to be paired with a top 5 player in the league for the foreseeable future. Not sure Rantanen duplicates his numbers from this season but I'd bet he gets fairly close.
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