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    Quote Originally Posted by lucafen4 View Post
    I just noticed your main goalies are Kinkaid, Bernier, Kudobin, NIllson & Forsberg on your bench. you need to make a hard STOP!

    You've got a crap-tonne of subpar B level G prospects/back ups that have no starting upside. It's more like a collection of 1989 O-Pee-Chee baseball cards... very little real value, but a lot of volume (roster commitment) You're other farm (non-goalie) prospects are decent. I'm not sure what's going on with your goalie valuations, but Jarry is the closest thing you have to a blue-chip prospect. You need to re-evaluate this plan and re-evaluate how you're evaluating goalies.

    Sorry for the harshness but someone's gotta be honest
    Yah, I was trying to say this...but in a nicer way. As in, good trade for Jarry.....but re-evaluate your strategy re: collection prospect goalies

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    Ya the reason im trippin out about goalies is we have a 3 start minimum per week and if u dont achieve it you can lose your 1st rnd pick, which is quite detrimental to a rebuilding team...lol
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    G, A, Pts , Spt, Pim , Sog , Hit/blk , Toi , Corsi , W , Gaa , Sv , Sv% , So

    C: Larkin , Horvat, C.Mittelstadt , P.Zacha
    LW: T.Teravainen, D. Heinen , Hinostroza, B.Perlini
    RW: A.Tuch , O.Kase ,Vrana, R.Dzingel
    D: Provorov, M.Reilly, S.Theodore, Hanifin, R.Pulock, J.Morrissey
    G: Lehner, Bernier , Ullmark , Jarry
    Bench: C,Dvorak, M.Matheson , J.Eriksson Ek , J.Virtanen, K. Kapanen , B.Ritchie

    Farm: D.Strome, K.Kaprizov, B.Tkachuk , F.Chytil, G.Vilardi, S.Steel, M.Heiskanen ,N.Dobson, J.Valimaki, J,Zboril, I.Sorokin, L.Soderstrom, J.Campbell

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    Default Re: So i just made this deal

    I don't particularly like this trade as much as most it seems. I'm always leery of prospect goalies where I see svech as a productive fantasy forward (relatively soon) with really good upside. I guess there's a solid chance jarri doesn't get a starter job for years, if ever.

    I'll second that I don't like the strategy of loading up on prospect goalies for what it's worth. From a numbers perspective there are 30 nhl starting positions (45 if you want to be really generous and say half the teams split starts, which they don't but let's be generous) vs 12 starting forward positions per team x 30 teams which is 360 starting forward spots. It's easy to be a really good goalie and not get an opportunity. Very different for really good forwards. You're going to strike out on too many prospect goalies and then there's ones that will be bad to average starters. Too many strikeouts and not enough home runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5hole View Post
    Ya the reason im trippin out about goalies is we have a 3 start minimum per week and if u dont achieve it you can lose your 1st rnd pick, which is quite detrimental to a rebuilding team...lol
    Now this adds at least 1 reason to carry a couple fringe goalies when you don't have one. the problem is that you have way too many on the roster + farm. If you need fringe guys for starts, get a backup and the #3 guy from the same team, at least. A big issue is that you have a bunch of guys who are backups, tandem goalies at best, and from different teams. Jarry is likely your most talented goalie, or close to it. And almost half are free agents of some sort.

    Under contract:
    Kinkaid - 28, on NJ
    Jarry - 23, on PIT
    A.Nilsson - 28, on VAN
    Forsberg - 25, on CHI
    J.Campbell - 26, on LA

    Prospect:
    L.Soderstrom - 21, in the SHL (rights NYI)

    FA's:
    Bernier - 29, on COL (FA)
    Khudobin - 32 , on BOS (FA)
    Gillies - 24, on CGY (FA)
    J.Coreau - 26, on DET (FA)
    Broissot - 25, on EDM (FA)

    Maybe Gillies or Brossoit still have some prospect shine on them, barely.
    Khudobin is a solid vet backup.

    Some of those spots have to move to players who are skaters.
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    G: F Andersen
    Backup G: Holtby
    D: Gardiner, M Reilly, Letang, Klingberg, Gostisbehere, Carlson
    F1: Voracek, Giroux, Couturier
    F2: Wheeler, Schiefele, Tavares
    F3: Benn, Seguin, MacKinnon
    F4: Stamkos, Point, JT Miller

    Bench:
    G: (none)
    D: Ekman-Larsson, Werenski, Orlov
    F: Pavelski, Bailey, Guentzel, Sprong, Killorn, Bjorkstrand, Tuch, Labanc, Namestnikov, Nyquist

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    Was made this offer :Grubauer , Borgstrom & 18th pick this draft..... forrrrrrr.... My Larkin and 6th over all..... Im not really feeling it tho..
    12 Team H2H Dynasty , Took over in 17 , going into 2nd year of rebuild
    4C ,4L ,4R , 6D ,2g , 8Bench , 15Farm
    G, A, Pts , Spt, Pim , Sog , Hit/blk , Toi , Corsi , W , Gaa , Sv , Sv% , So

    C: Larkin , Horvat, C.Mittelstadt , P.Zacha
    LW: T.Teravainen, D. Heinen , Hinostroza, B.Perlini
    RW: A.Tuch , O.Kase ,Vrana, R.Dzingel
    D: Provorov, M.Reilly, S.Theodore, Hanifin, R.Pulock, J.Morrissey
    G: Lehner, Bernier , Ullmark , Jarry
    Bench: C,Dvorak, M.Matheson , J.Eriksson Ek , J.Virtanen, K. Kapanen , B.Ritchie

    Farm: D.Strome, K.Kaprizov, B.Tkachuk , F.Chytil, G.Vilardi, S.Steel, M.Heiskanen ,N.Dobson, J.Valimaki, J,Zboril, I.Sorokin, L.Soderstrom, J.Campbell

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5hole View Post
    Was made this offer :Grubauer , Borgstrom & 18th pick this draft..... forrrrrrr.... My Larkin and 6th over all
    I'm not sure I could do that for Larkin alone. Read Rizzie's cage match. Larkin is on the cusp of becoming what Borgstrom's ceiling could be in 3-4 years. You set yourself back offensively by that time line, that #6 pick is going to be a pure stud.

    Grubs is about a year from getting a starting gig somewhere (don't see Wsh moving him this summer) - so you would be adding another back up. 30-35 starts. IMO, you need to keep Larkin, unless he lands you a true starting G... I'd sniff around on Raanta.

    Right now Jarry is your best long term option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucafen4 View Post
    I'm not sure I could do that for Larkin alone. Read Rizzie's cage match. Larkin is on the cusp of becoming what Borgstrom's ceiling could be in 3-4 years. You set yourself back offensively by that time line, that #6 pick is going to be a pure stud.

    Grubs is about a year from getting a starting gig somewhere (don't see Wsh moving him this summer) - so you would be adding another back up. 30-35 starts. IMO, you need to keep Larkin, unless he lands you a true starting G
    agreed , thx
    12 Team H2H Dynasty , Took over in 17 , going into 2nd year of rebuild
    4C ,4L ,4R , 6D ,2g , 8Bench , 15Farm
    G, A, Pts , Spt, Pim , Sog , Hit/blk , Toi , Corsi , W , Gaa , Sv , Sv% , So

    C: Larkin , Horvat, C.Mittelstadt , P.Zacha
    LW: T.Teravainen, D. Heinen , Hinostroza, B.Perlini
    RW: A.Tuch , O.Kase ,Vrana, R.Dzingel
    D: Provorov, M.Reilly, S.Theodore, Hanifin, R.Pulock, J.Morrissey
    G: Lehner, Bernier , Ullmark , Jarry
    Bench: C,Dvorak, M.Matheson , J.Eriksson Ek , J.Virtanen, K. Kapanen , B.Ritchie

    Farm: D.Strome, K.Kaprizov, B.Tkachuk , F.Chytil, G.Vilardi, S.Steel, M.Heiskanen ,N.Dobson, J.Valimaki, J,Zboril, I.Sorokin, L.Soderstrom, J.Campbell

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5hole View Post
    Was made this offer :Grubauer , Borgstrom & 18th pick this draft..... forrrrrrr.... My Larkin and 6th over all..... Im not really feeling it tho..
    I don't like that. Grubauer isn't a starter right now, and that's what you need. I'd see if you can find somebody who wants your FA backup/3rd sting guy for a 3rd string guy that matches one of your goalies under contract. Casey DeSmith on Pittsburgh would be an ideal guy to acquire for one of Gillies, J.Coreau, or Broissot.
    10 team Head-to-head true dynasty. Roster 33, draft 2, cut down before season. Start 1 G, 1-2 backup G's, 6 D, 12 F arranged in 4 lines of 3. Only categories that matter are Goals, Assists, Save% with a shutout bonus. Having NHL teammates helps.

    G: F Andersen
    Backup G: Holtby
    D: Gardiner, M Reilly, Letang, Klingberg, Gostisbehere, Carlson
    F1: Voracek, Giroux, Couturier
    F2: Wheeler, Schiefele, Tavares
    F3: Benn, Seguin, MacKinnon
    F4: Stamkos, Point, JT Miller

    Bench:
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    D: Ekman-Larsson, Werenski, Orlov
    F: Pavelski, Bailey, Guentzel, Sprong, Killorn, Bjorkstrand, Tuch, Labanc, Namestnikov, Nyquist

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    What are your guys thoughts on M. Subban ?
    12 Team H2H Dynasty , Took over in 17 , going into 2nd year of rebuild
    4C ,4L ,4R , 6D ,2g , 8Bench , 15Farm
    G, A, Pts , Spt, Pim , Sog , Hit/blk , Toi , Corsi , W , Gaa , Sv , Sv% , So

    C: Larkin , Horvat, C.Mittelstadt , P.Zacha
    LW: T.Teravainen, D. Heinen , Hinostroza, B.Perlini
    RW: A.Tuch , O.Kase ,Vrana, R.Dzingel
    D: Provorov, M.Reilly, S.Theodore, Hanifin, R.Pulock, J.Morrissey
    G: Lehner, Bernier , Ullmark , Jarry
    Bench: C,Dvorak, M.Matheson , J.Eriksson Ek , J.Virtanen, K. Kapanen , B.Ritchie

    Farm: D.Strome, K.Kaprizov, B.Tkachuk , F.Chytil, G.Vilardi, S.Steel, M.Heiskanen ,N.Dobson, J.Valimaki, J,Zboril, I.Sorokin, L.Soderstrom, J.Campbell

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5hole View Post
    What are your guys thoughts on M. Subban ?
    career back up (when/if healthy)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5hole View Post
    What are your guys thoughts on M. Subban ?
    Backup behind a guy who gets hurt a lot and the heir apparent in Vegas. I'm not sure his talent level merits that, but they wanted him specifically, and went out and got him. They clearly believe he's the next guy in their pecking order, so we should heed that.

    I'd deal any of your impending FA guys for him.
    10 team Head-to-head true dynasty. Roster 33, draft 2, cut down before season. Start 1 G, 1-2 backup G's, 6 D, 12 F arranged in 4 lines of 3. Only categories that matter are Goals, Assists, Save% with a shutout bonus. Having NHL teammates helps.

    G: F Andersen
    Backup G: Holtby
    D: Gardiner, M Reilly, Letang, Klingberg, Gostisbehere, Carlson
    F1: Voracek, Giroux, Couturier
    F2: Wheeler, Schiefele, Tavares
    F3: Benn, Seguin, MacKinnon
    F4: Stamkos, Point, JT Miller

    Bench:
    G: (none)
    D: Ekman-Larsson, Werenski, Orlov
    F: Pavelski, Bailey, Guentzel, Sprong, Killorn, Bjorkstrand, Tuch, Labanc, Namestnikov, Nyquist

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