Need to acquire a goalie - +REP

[BJMit]

So I posted on here a few days ago about the start of my rebuild and received some excellent trade advice. I did end up trading Gourde + a 2nd for Sorokin + a 1st kind of impulsively and then came back here to find a bunch of people recommending to pass on that deal. So lesson learned in that regard, I need to be more patient, however as I mentioned in the other threads we have a goalie dispersal draft coming up. Unfortunately this means teams are trading their starters left and right to try to get some value before that happens. I'm worried I won't actually get a starter from that now, so I want to try to make a trade for at least one while the value is there.

The best option left is a GM who has Murrary, Holty, and Varlamov and can only keep 2 of the 3. Varlamov seems like the one to target, but I wonder if it's worth it to throw out an offer for Murray and see if he bites? Since Murray is much younger and my team won't be competitive for a few years. What's a fair offer I can toss out for a starter he will have to drop anyway if he doesn't reach a deal? (I know he has other modest offers on the table).

My roster is below.

Main Roster:

Skaters:
Tyson Jost
Radek Faksa
Kevin Labanc
Brandon Sutter
Thomas Tatar
Joel Edmundson
Derek Forbort
Olli Maatta
Gustav Olofsson
Anthony Beauvillier
Anders Bjork
Jake DeBrusk
Adrian Kempe
Alex Killorn
Ondrej Palat
Tanner Pearson
Miles Wood
Jake Dotchin

Goalies:
Jaroslav Halak
Chad Johnson
Jared Coreau

Minors:

Skaters:
Zach Aston-Reese
JT Compher
Filip Chlapik
Jordan Kyrou
Martin Necas
Ryan Poehling
Jeremy Bracco
Jordan Greenway
Charles Hudon
Ivan Lodnia
Zach Senshyn
Oscar Fantenberg
Gustav Forsling
Jeremy Lauzon
Nicolas Meloche
Cam Dineen

Goalies:
Ilya Sorokin
Callum Booth
Kristers Gudlevskis
Alex Nedelijkovic
Keith Petruzzelli
Felix Sandstrom
Joseph Woll

Current draft picks:
2018 - 1, (8th overall), 1(9th overall), 3,3,3,4,4
2019 - 1 (not my original pick), 3,3,3,4,4,4,4
2020 - 1,2,3,4

[BJMit]

Was thinking of offering Palat + 2019 1st (will be a lower 1st rounder, it's from a very good team) for Murray, and then countering with Varlamov if he says no to Murray. Am I offering too much there since he would have to drop 1 of the 3 goalies if he doesn't make a trade? I would love to acquire at least an NHL starter going forward. As before here's the league scoring... as you can see winning goalies score very highly. Thanks for the help again!!





Scoring

Scoring Group	Scoring Category	Position	Points
Skaters	Assists (A)	Default	5
Skaters		Defense	7.5
Skaters	Blocks (Blk)	Default	0.25
Skaters	Faceoffs Won (FOW)	Default	0.1
Skaters	Games Played (GP)	Default
Skaters	Game Winning Goals (GWG)	Default	5
Skaters	Goals (G)	Default	5
Skaters		Defense	7.5
Skaters	Shootout Goals (ShG)	Default	2.5
Skaters	Gordie Howe Hat Tricks (GHHT)	Default	10
Skaters	Hat Tricks (HT)	Default	15
Skaters	Hits (Hit)	Default	0.25
Skaters	Overtime Goals (OG)	Default	5
Skaters	Penalty Minutes (PIM)	Default	0.25
Skaters	Penalty Shot Goals (PSG)	Default	5
Skaters	Plus/Minus (+/-)	Default	2
Skaters	Shots on Goal (SOG)	Default	0.25
Skaters	Power Play Points (PPP)	Default	2.5
Skaters	Short Handed Points (SHP)	Default	5
Goalies	Assists (A)	Default	5
Goalies	Goals (G)	Default	5
Goalies	Shootout Losses (ShL)	Default	5
Goalies	Goals Against (GA)	Default	-1
Goalies	Overtime Losses (OL)	Default	2.5
Goalies	Saves (SV)	Default	0.35
Goalies	Shutouts (SHO)	Default	15
Goalies	Wins (W)	Default	7.5

[lucafen4]

I'd also be keeping an eye on Mike Condon as a potential add, I believe you mentioned he was on the wire... who knows what Craig Anderson will do? Speaking of which... if you're not looking to be competitive next year - then I'm looking to target in a deal back up goalies that have potential starter written on them - Dell, Grubauer etc... they'll come cheap and hopefully pay off... I'd also (as mentioned before) take a look at Kappo Kahkonen (Min) there's no one else behind Dubnyk that has starter potential in that system -- you could also look at the older goalies - Anderson/Smith/Elliot as a trade option to cover the gap until a couple of you G prospects start getting NHL starts. Jake Allen is a G most owners are looking to dump as well.

[Dennis]

I'd also be keeping an eye on Mike Condon as a potential add, I believe you mentioned he was on the wire... who knows what Craig Anderson will do? Speaking of which... if you're not looking to be competitive next year - then I'm looking to target in a deal back up goalies that have potential starter written on them - Dell, Grubauer etc... they'll come cheap and hopefully pay off... I'd also (as mentioned before) take a look at Kappo Kahkonen (Min) there's no one else behind Dubnyk that has starter potential in that system -- you could also look at the older goalies - Anderson/Smith/Elliot as a trade option to cover the gap until a couple of you G prospects start getting NHL starts. Jake Allen is a G most owners are looking to dump as well.

One thing to keep in mind regarding Kahkonen. As pointed out in another thread by Jouko-Pouko, the Wild have until June 1st to sign Kahkonen or he'll go back into the 2018 entry-draft.



Also, absolutely do not trade Palat and a 1st-round pick for Varlamov. Like you said, you need to be more patient. I'd take my chances on a 'free' goalie falling into my lap in your dispersal draft if other GMs are asking for too much for a player they're going to have to give up anyway. You won't be competing next season so don't fret about not having a starting goalie.

[BJMit]

I'd also be keeping an eye on Mike Condon as a potential add, I believe you mentioned he was on the wire... who knows what Craig Anderson will do? Speaking of which... if you're not looking to be competitive next year - then I'm looking to target in a deal back up goalies that have potential starter written on them - Dell, Grubauer etc... they'll come cheap and hopefully pay off... I'd also (as mentioned before) take a look at Kappo Kahkonen (Min) there's no one else behind Dubnyk that has starter potential in that system -- you could also look at the older goalies - Anderson/Smith/Elliot as a trade option to cover the gap until a couple of you G prospects start getting NHL starts. Jake Allen is a G most owners are looking to dump as well.

Solid points. I'm hoping to get at worst Craig Anderson and at best Varlamov now from the goalie dispersal draft, but just poking around and seeing if someone will trade me a starter (somewhat) cheap.

[BJMit]

One thing to keep in mind regarding Kahkonen. As pointed out in another thread by Jouko-Pouko, the Wild have until June 1st to sign Kahkonen or he'll go back into the 2018 entry-draft.



Also, absolutely do not trade Palat and a 1st-round pick for Varlamov. Like you said, you need to be more patient. I'd take my chances on a 'free' goalie falling into my lap in your dispersal draft if other GMs are asking for too much for a player they're going to have to give up anyway. You won't be competing next season so don't fret about not having a starting goalie.

Thanks, keeping in mind the big picture and not making moves too fast is challenging at first haha. There's sort of a compulsion to push for big deals to try to improve the team fast but that's not how good teams are built.

Would that price be reasonable for Matt Murray if he would bite on that, or still not worth it in your opinion?

[BJMit]

I'm actually okay with waiting on a goalie, because I do have the time. Just wanted to explore options to see if I could get one on the cheap now with the draft coming up.

A potential trade target that really interests me is Borgstrom because his owner has said he is open to dealing him for "depth or picks." What's a reasonable offer I could make for Henrik Borgstrom? I love this guy's potential.

[lucafen4]

I'd ask for a bit more info from that owner on what he defines as depth & picks.... cuz I'm thinking Maata & a couple late 3rds

[BJMit]

I'd ask for a bit more info from that owner on what he defines as depth & picks.... cuz I'm thinking Maata & a couple late 3rds

Thanks! I'll try and see what he says. After this I will do my best to sit tight until the draft unless something great comes up haha.

Since I went out and got Sorokin for better or worse, do you think there's any value to be had in trying to acquire Soderstrom for cheap? Just to insure my claim to a future NYI starter. Maybe this is not needed though. I really think it will be Sorokin eventually.

[stevegamer]

I think you need to stop trying to acquire goalies "for cheap". If they are on the wire, grab them - there are decent enough options there with some value. Having 2 prospects from a system insure nothing other than having 2 prospects.

That Palat deal is awful. In my opinion, Varlamov is the guy Colorado should've exposed in the expansion draft. It's worked out, but he's at best average NHL starter. Don't trade 1st round picks for that, nor players like Palat unless you are in contention & desperate.

[lucafen4]

I think you need to stop trying to acquire goalies "for cheap". If they are on the wire, grab them - there are decent enough options there with some value. Having 2 prospects from a system insure nothing other than having 2 prospects.

That Palat deal is awful. In my opinion, Varlamov is the guy Colorado should've exposed in the expansion draft. It's worked out, but he's at best average NHL starter. Don't trade 1st round picks for that, nor players like Palat unless you are in contention & desperate.

this is a good point... you are focusing in a lot on obtaining goalies, lots of goalies. If you're writing off next season now... then you've got 16 months to solve your goalie dilemma. Take the redraft goalie and grab a backup off the wire that will have a great shot at starting 50% of games and call it good for a year. Everyone will know you're in the market for another G... so you'll get lots of trade offers over the rest of the season. In a H2H league... a combo of Condon/Halak/Varlamov or Anderson or Smith - will probably net you 30% of goalie cats throughout the season. So you won't get fully run over. Even goalies like Helle, Vasil & Holtby get lit up at some point.

[lucafen4]

One thing to keep in mind regarding Kahkonen. As pointed out in another thread by Jouko-Pouko, the Wild have until June 1st to sign Kahkonen or he'll go back into the 2018 entry-draft.



Also, absolutely do not trade Palat and a 1st-round pick for Varlamov. Like you said, you need to be more patient. I'd take my chances on a 'free' goalie falling into my lap in your dispersal draft if other GMs are asking for too much for a player they're going to have to give up anyway. You won't be competing next season so don't fret about not having a starting goalie.

I hadn't seen JP post about that in other threads. That's really good to know. I've got him stored in one pool, close watch in another. I'll be keeping a very close eye on him in the draft now!

[BJMit]

Great points, thanks for all the input.

[DusterDave]

Palat + low 1st won't land you Matt Murray unfortunately. I wouldn't be offering anything for Varlamov either as you'll likely be able to get him for free at the dispersal draft. If you really want to acquire a goalie via trade, two names that come to mind are Juuse Saros and Cam Talbot. Rinne won't be Nashville's starter forever and Saros looks very promising. I'd be willing to pay the Palat + 1st price for Saros but I don't think it'll be enough, but I'd definitely try. Saros would be my number 1 target right now as well because he should be significantly cheaper than starters and he fits your rebuild timeline. I also mentioned Talbot because of the horrible season he just had. This will come down to how his owner values him right now. Some Talbot owners are trying to sell and are nervous about last season's numbers while others expect a bounce back.

I've noticed a few posts by you in regards to this goalie dispersal draft and another by a rival GM. It has been very interesting. I'd love to follow along as well. When is the draft and could you post all the selections for us? Good luck!