Thanks for that.
Its not exactly ancient history mate. My dad and all his brothers and sisters were forcably removed from their homes to live in residential schools where they were abused sexually, physically and mentally. They were punished for speaking their native tongue and they were not allowed to speak or have any contact with their parents. Families were torn apart due to the policy of Canada to assimilate the entire aboriginal community of Canada. Many kids just killed themselves. Some of them were killed by people who ran the schools. This was just swept under the carpet at the time. I do not believe you understand that of which you speak, so I would just leave it alone.
Ugh.. I tried.
At least no (few?) blatant insults or personal attacks were flung... I have no problem with someone expressing their views but they should be informed. If they're not, then it degenerates pretty fast.
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Agreed. Saying USA/CAN (among other countries) indigenous or native cultures have had a "rough ride" has to be the understatement of the year. Theirs is a very unique situation in that European (spanish too) settlers didn't even bother with attempting to enslave indigenous peoples, they skipped right to eradicating them altogether. Essentially, genocide. They've been relegated to unusable land just to ensure the survival of their kind....their very culture and any semblance of identity. Disease,violence, imposing our way of life onto them (assimilation). There are/were so many prohibitions against them, and now we're expected to believe the few scraps tossed are too much. Gee hunting rights...ya don't say?
Equality.
Yes.
Laughable.
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See. The problem I have is we are all dissecting this from a logical and measured POV, and I don't think it's reasonable to believe that a man, isolated on his farm (as has been stated) when teens or grown males unexpectedly happen upon his premises with seemingly ill intent is in a position to second guess the safety of his family over the legal rights of trespassers.
at least one person attempted to steal a truck by hitting the truck window with a .22-calibre rifle that was in the back of the SUV...if that much is true. Manslaughter, sure technically. But time served and reduced sentence should be allocated.The SUV was eventually driven onto Stanley?s farm. In the ensuing moments, an occupant of the SUV attempted to start a quad on Stanley?s property and the grey SUV collided with a parked vehicle on Stanley?s property, court heard. During the incident, Boushie ? sitting in the driver?s seat ? was killed by a single gunshot to the head from a handgun held at the time by Gerald Stanley.
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I don't think anyone questioned what you are saying. In fact, it was a large part of the narrative.
Stanley and his family were not looking for trouble. Trouble found them, and the whole thing was over within two minutes.
Boushie's death was an accident, but Stanley was holding a loaded firearm in his hand when he went to approach the SUV to pull out the keys. I absolutely believe he did not want to kill Boushie, but when you have a firearm in-hand and it is not a situation of self-defence, then the question is whether he was reckless with his pistol. Given the circumstances, I think he was and that carries an "automatic" (read: logical) conclusion of manslaughter.
It all comes down to whom is responsible for Boushie's death. Here, there is responsibility both with Boushie and with Stanley. That would definitely factor into the sentencing. Now, sentencing is a whole other ball-game and since he was acquitted, it would be really hard to speculate on that.
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I feel Mr. Stanley should have gotten Manslaughter at the minimum. This is going to irk some people here but he did leave the safety and shelter of his home and aggressively confront the people on his property. Had he stayed in his home this death would not have happened. Approaching 4 people like this was reckless on Stanley's part and COULD have led to his death and possibly his family's. The way it turned out he killed another human...but he saved his ATV and Vehicle? Had he stayed in his house, he might have had to make an insurance claim. And what were the keys doing in the SUV. On the other hand, if 1 or all 4 of the people in his yard breached his house, I'd have no problem with his shooting at them.
As exerps from the linked article below state, Mr. Stanley's defence was one of accident so Manslaughter applies when someone is doing an unlawful act like careless use of a firearm.
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https://www.utoronto.ca/news/how-can...hie-u-t-expert
"The jury was instructed that if the accused was not guilty of murder that they should consider whether he was guilty of manslaughter. I was very surprised that the jury did not come in with at least a manslaughter verdict. And that’s because the defence that Mr. Stanley mounted is a defence of accident, and the way it works in Canadian law is that if you believe that the discharge was accidental, then that means there’s at least a reasonable doubt that he didn't have the intent to kill.
So therefore you get an acquittal on murder, but the way it works is we have an extremely broad manslaughter offense in Canada. And it applies whenever someone is doing an unlawful act like careless use of a firearm, which seems to have been present here, pointing a gun at a person’s head."
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I read the article on the National Post regarding the judges instructions to the jurors. The article states to "put yourself in a juror's shoes".
Here is something that caught my eye:
"If you have a reasonable doubt about Mr. Stanley?s guilt arising from the credibility of the witnesses then you must find him not guilty."
To my understanding, if none of the witnesses in the car were sober, then their testimony hurt the case more than it helped because their credibility was already questioned/ripped to shreds.
We often here the saying, there are two sides to a story, in this case, because the occupants of the SUV were intoxicated (taking into account what is said above in the quote) that there is only one side to this story.
Gerald Stanley could have said anything and it was ultimately believed by almost everyone, our members here included.
This is just my opinion and mine alone - Gerald Stanley had his gun go off accidentally and killed Colten Boushie, like that millionaire tripped and fell on that girl, penetrating her in the process - he was acquitted too. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...arge/77416928/
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Yeah...no...I'm just thinking out loud. I'm guilty of it too - we tend talk discuss a thing as if the facts currently known were known at the time of the incident. In this instance, it's important for jurors (or us here) to put ourselves in the point in time of this very unfortunate incident, in an attempt to discern right from wrong. Not any easy thing to be sure. I know nothing about the lay of land or environment where this incident occurred nor all the pertinent details. Just very broad, general "facts" if you will.
...and from what I know, I would say a manslaughter conviction would have been reasonable. The thing I am hung up on is the sentence, were he actually found guilty. I would have difficulty pinning to much time to his actions. That's where I'm hung up...as a man who would protect his family and is equally prone to irrational behavior.
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