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    I acquired him 2 years ago thinking he was a 60 point guy. This guy is barely a 50 point producer.. Am i being to hard on him or is this what he is?

    I am in a 14 team keeper Salary Cap league- his salary isn't an issue but in a league with G A P PP +- Hits... i've been benching him a lot lately. Will he turn it around? Carter coming back could help.
    C: Giroux, Johansen, Schenn
    LW: Forseberg, J Hockey, Patch
    RW: Tara, Radulov, Toffoli
    D: Josi, Werenski,
    Ghost, Keith
    F: Coyle, Ehlers,
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    Konency, Rantanen, Hartnell, Gallagher, Spezza
    G: Price, Bishop






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    I traded for him recently, rebuilding in my keeper league, and I hope he has an unannounced nagging injury. His shot totals are better than ever so that's encouraging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shift Disturber View Post
    I traded for him recently, rebuilding in my keeper league, and I hope he has an unannounced nagging injury. His shot totals are better than ever so that's encouraging.
    I lover hearing the guy shoots a lot but if hes not converting... SOG not a category for me
    C: Giroux, Johansen, Schenn
    LW: Forseberg, J Hockey, Patch
    RW: Tara, Radulov, Toffoli
    D: Josi, Werenski,
    Ghost, Keith
    F: Coyle, Ehlers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRA View Post
    I lover hearing the guy shoots a lot but if hes not converting... SOG not a category for me
    Nor for me, but at least it means he's keeping busy in the offensive zone. Doesn't speak to the quality of the shots though.

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    He’s a beneficiary of playing with Jeff Carter. That is all.

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    ^^^ So much disagree

    Hes a sog volume guy (on pace fofr 3/game- which is money in the bank!) )whose suffering through some bad puck luck. Hes also just finally starting to get meaningful powerplay time. He has 8 ppp with the bare minimum- he could be one of the bigger second half sleepers- all he needs is for puck luck to correct itself and pp opportunity which he seems to be getting (for now). Hes also dual eligible- I think hes a great asset.
    14 team cap league (30 mil above nhl)
    Daily Changes- 3c 3rw 3lw 3 forward flex 5d 2g 8bn ir+
    Weekly hth - g a p ppp shp pim sog +/- gwg - w sv% so gaa saves
    27 man farm team - no cap - junior team can hold prospects to up till 3 years
    C Kadri Ziba Gallagher
    Rw Tarasenko Toffoli Palmieri
    Lw Forberg Hall Skinner
    Flex Neal E Kane Perron
    D Hamilton Miller Sergachev OEL Klef-Bomb
    G Andersen Quick
    BN Tuch Vanek Buchnevich Jarnkrok Maroon Hartman Smith Saros
    Notable prospects and farm- Tippett Eriksson-Ek Heed Hayden Bracco
    Cap 104.4 out of 105

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    Just been an absolute disaster the last 15 games or so...has to turn it around at some point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting_Emu View Post
    ^^^ So much disagree

    Hes a sog volume guy (on pace fofr 3/game- which is money in the bank!) )whose suffering through some bad puck luck. Hes also just finally starting to get meaningful powerplay time. He has 8 ppp with the bare minimum- he could be one of the bigger second half sleepers- all he needs is for puck luck to correct itself and pp opportunity which he seems to be getting (for now). Hes also dual eligible- I think hes a great asset.
    Toffoli has great chemistry with Carter, not so much with Kopitar. With Carter he’s a 55-60 point player, without he’s more of a 45-50 point guy.

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    Im not comfortable at all putting that kind of cap on a twenty five year old- especially one whose only a season from removed sixty points. There could be a lot of factors contributing to his decline in production (like the ones I stated- low sh% and lack of pp time). Also it could be a lack of chemistery with Kopitar specifically and not just "feeding off" Carter so to speak. Kopitar plays a really specific kind of cycling/puck protection game that is not everyones cup of tea. I could see him finding his niche in the cycle, correcting his shooting percentage and capitalizing on his pp time and bouncing back no problem. I cant say Ive watched a ton of Kings game but Ive seen a little more than maybe the average fan (as a long time Kopitar owner- not anymore though- I used to watch quite a few- 10-15 a season)- and I really dont see Toffoli as having peaked at all. Hes a talented player- Id love to see the advanced stats- but my eyeballs tell me he drives posession. Itd be great to hear if Im offbase there- but based on my own intuition, research and armchair scouting- Im not worried at all about him. I think its a fantastic time to "buy low" on him (depending of course on keeper parameters).
    14 team cap league (30 mil above nhl)
    Daily Changes- 3c 3rw 3lw 3 forward flex 5d 2g 8bn ir+
    Weekly hth - g a p ppp shp pim sog +/- gwg - w sv% so gaa saves
    27 man farm team - no cap - junior team can hold prospects to up till 3 years
    C Kadri Ziba Gallagher
    Rw Tarasenko Toffoli Palmieri
    Lw Forberg Hall Skinner
    Flex Neal E Kane Perron
    D Hamilton Miller Sergachev OEL Klef-Bomb
    G Andersen Quick
    BN Tuch Vanek Buchnevich Jarnkrok Maroon Hartman Smith Saros
    Notable prospects and farm- Tippett Eriksson-Ek Heed Hayden Bracco
    Cap 104.4 out of 105

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting_Emu View Post
    Im not comfortable at all putting that kind of cap on a twenty five year old- especially one whose only a season from removed sixty points. There could be a lot of factors contributing to his decline in production (like the ones I stated- low sh% and lack of pp time). Also it could be a lack of chemistery with Kopitar specifically and not just "feeding off" Carter so to speak. Kopitar plays a really specific kind of cycling/puck protection game that is not everyones cup of tea. I could see him finding his niche in the cycle, correcting his shooting percentage and capitalizing on his pp time and bouncing back no problem. I cant say Ive watched a ton of Kings game but Ive seen a little more than maybe the average fan (as a long time Kopitar owner- not anymore though- I used to watch quite a few- 10-15 a season)- and I really dont see Toffoli as having peaked at all. Hes a talented player- Id love to see the advanced stats- but my eyeballs tell me he drives posession. Itd be great to hear if Im offbase there- but based on my own intuition, research and armchair scouting- Im not worried at all about him. I think its a fantastic time to "buy low" on him (depending of course on keeper parameters).
    Compare the numbers with and without Carter. It’s scary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoelace View Post
    Compare the numbers with and without Carter. It’s scary
    I dont want to be argumentative just for sake of being argumentative- Ill take a look. Do you have the data? Or a site where I could seperate these samples easily?? Im actually legit curious now- I dont think it will sway me at 25- but it would be interesting to note...
    14 team cap league (30 mil above nhl)
    Daily Changes- 3c 3rw 3lw 3 forward flex 5d 2g 8bn ir+
    Weekly hth - g a p ppp shp pim sog +/- gwg - w sv% so gaa saves
    27 man farm team - no cap - junior team can hold prospects to up till 3 years
    C Kadri Ziba Gallagher
    Rw Tarasenko Toffoli Palmieri
    Lw Forberg Hall Skinner
    Flex Neal E Kane Perron
    D Hamilton Miller Sergachev OEL Klef-Bomb
    G Andersen Quick
    BN Tuch Vanek Buchnevich Jarnkrok Maroon Hartman Smith Saros
    Notable prospects and farm- Tippett Eriksson-Ek Heed Hayden Bracco
    Cap 104.4 out of 105

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    Well, I guess the thread woke him up.

    He needs PP time to hit 60 pts, which he can do, but not without significant PP time. He is a good player, just not a great one, as many thought he could become.
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    Crosby, Backstrom, Wheeler, Pavelski, Zuccarello, Voracek, Connor, Toffoli, Hoffman, Pastrnak
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