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    Yeah I don't know who Big Ev is. I'm guessing a big homer for a particular team who was always defending them against unwarranted bashing?
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    It's funny that 90% of the folks here who have a clear favourite team are as bad or worse that Ev was. That's funny. Sad part is that most haven't the slightest clue they share the exact same qualities.

    Anyway, I'm in the same boat as eric in thinking that what people are slowly coming to realize has been apparent at least since this summer. They do have an asset in Peice that can mask much of it though but I do think this is the season the big slide occurs.

    And yes, I was being (massively)sarcastic in suggesting that Hemsky and Streit are more than enough to cover for Radulov and Markov. Those two guys were huge last year. Yes, even greybeard Markov was absolutely one of the better PPQBs in the league last year. Just look at his PPP ratio compared to other PPQB defenders in relation to their own teams PP success.

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    Care to back that up with some comparisons? Not sure how you figure to know that when we haven't even seen them play as a group yet.
    And they DO have Price so....you sort of have to consider him part of the team.
    LOL. So you're saying when you put a bunch of mediocre guys together, they magically turn into a great group of players? I'm sure that happens all the time. We don't need to see them all play together when we have seen all of them individually to know what level of players they are.

    And yes, I DO happen to know Price is on that team. And as long as Price is healthy, they have a chance to get to the playoffs. But if Price goes down, you should start looking at the 2018 draft rankings because it won't be pretty without him.

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    LOL. So you're saying when you put a bunch of mediocre guys together, they magically turn into a great group of players? I'm sure that happens all the time. We don't need to see them all play together when we have seen all of them individually to know what level of players they are.

    And yes, I DO happen to know Price is on that team. And as long as Price is healthy, they have a chance to get to the playoffs. But if Price goes down, you should start looking at the 2018 draft rankings because it won't be pretty without him.
    Did you happen to note who played D for the Stanley Cup winners this past playoffs? Pretty average group of guys there eh? And I'd rather have Weber as my top D than Schultz any day.
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    As a follow-up...Here are players who took shifts at D for the Pens during the play-offs...
    Schultz
    Cole
    Daley
    Dumoulin
    Hainsey
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    Ruhwhedel
    Streit

    Going in I'm quite sure lots of folks would have labeled most of that that group as mediocre. Yet they won the cup. Hmmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tweetdrivr View Post
    As a follow-up...Here are players who took shifts at D for the Pens during the play-offs...
    Schultz
    Cole
    Daley
    Dumoulin
    Hainsey
    Maatta
    Ruhwhedel
    Streit

    Going in I'm quite sure lots of folks would have labeled most of that that group as mediocre. Yet they won the cup. Hmmm...
    You're right but you know what Pittsburgh has? They have two elite centers. Montreal doesn't even have a single top line center. If you don't have elite centers, you need elite 'D'. If you don't have elite 'D', you need elite centers. Montreal has neither of those things, not even remotely close. Pittsburgh had probably the worst group of 'D' that has won a Cup but Montreal has at best the same level of blueline as they had, so all you need to do is add one Crosby and one Malkin and then maybe you can go somewhere. That shouldn't be too difficult to do, right?

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    Pittsburgh is a really bad example considering they have two players among the best all-time, not to mention a bunch of other high-end players.


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    I believe they will make the playoffs but I think their 99.5 point line is way too high. I don't see how they're better than Tampa and Ottawa right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko-Pouko View Post
    LOL. So you're saying when you put a bunch of mediocre guys together, they magically turn into a great group of players? I'm sure that happens all the time. We don't need to see them all play together when we have seen all of them individually to know what level of players they are.

    And yes, I DO happen to know Price is on that team. And as long as Price is healthy, they have a chance to get to the playoffs. But if Price goes down, you should start looking at the 2018 draft rankings because it won't be pretty without him.
    The Pens have Crosby and Malkin and the Habs have Price - and he is certainly important to their playoff fate. Everybody has strengths and weaknesses. Your assertion that their D is horrible is completely false. They have an NHL caliber D with several legit top 4 guys. So Alzner was a top 4 guy for last year's President's Cup team but isn't now that he's a Hab? For clarity's sake I'd enjoy seeing your rack and stack of all 30 NHL teams...or at least I'd enjoy seeing, using a three tier system, where all the teams in the NHL fall in order to show that the Canadiens are a bottom tier team. I feel your aspersions are based on the pre-season and an overly simple analysis of what is pretty complex thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tweetdrivr View Post
    Did you happen to note who played D for the Stanley Cup winners this past playoffs? Pretty average group of guys there eh? And I'd rather have Weber as my top D than Schultz any day.
    really? You're comparing the Habs to the two time cup champs?

    I'll let Jouko and Daoust take it from here.

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    You're right but you know what Pittsburgh has? They have two elite centers. Montreal doesn't even have a single top line center. If you don't have elite centers, you need elite 'D'. If you don't have elite 'D', you need elite centers. Montreal has neither of those things, not even remotely close. Pittsburgh had probably the worst group of 'D' that has won a Cup but Montreal has at best the same level of blueline as they had, so all you need to do is add one Crosby and one Malkin and then maybe you can go somewhere. That shouldn't be too difficult to do, right?
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    Pittsburgh is a really bad example considering they have two players among the best all-time, not to mention a bunch of other high-end players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericdaoust View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by havanablast21 View Post
    really? You're comparing the Habs to the two time cup champs?

    I'll let Jouko and Daoust take it from here.

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    No - I was comparing the Habs D to the Pens D. The Habs lost to the Rangers in the first round. The Pens won the cup. No comparison there. I was simply trying to rebut the idea advanced that the Habs have horrible defense and that you can't win with mediocre D...but the Pens did that. With a much better F corps to be sure. Not comparisons made there.

    I am not a Canucks fan but by far my favorite player ever to watch play the game was Pavel Bure. That's my avatar. My Father's side of the family comes from Quebec so I've been huge Habs fan from day one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Panther View Post
    Is Price enough though????
    Ny did it for a few seasons with little else but Henrik Lundquist, so its certainly possible. But its a sniff at the playoffs and an early exit at best

    After an almost complete defensive makeover lets see where they sit come November before writing them off
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