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    I haven't had my morning coffee, so don't mind the ridiculous thread title. I try to be funny sometimes.

    Now, for the serious stuff. My league in sig is expanding from 10 teams to 12 teams this year, and we must ONLY keep 4 players, as opposed to 5! I currently have Quick, Bishop, and Vasilevskiy, leaving me likely the strongest goalie roster in our league.

    But I can't keep all three.

    Assuming I stick with Quick, who would you rather have on your team as a 2nd starter: Bishop or Vasilevskiy? My gut says Bishop, but Vas is younger and in a good spot with arguably less competition. TB gave Bishop away for a reason, right? I also imagine TB GAA/SV% may be stronger as they arguably have a better defence too.

    Anyways, what are your thoughts? I need to notify the league of my keepers by midnight on the 31st!

    Thanks in advance everyone!
    FANTASY LEAGUE: "Hockey Night on Hoth" (est. 2012)
    TEAM NAME: "The Barrelriders"

    FORMAT: H2H Keeper League (Keep 4 - no more than two per position)
    TEAM FORMAT: 12 Teams, 17 Players per Team (3C, 4W, 3D, 2G, 5Util)
    STAT CATS: G, A, P, PPP, FW, Shots, Hits, Blocks | Wins, SVS, GAA, SV%

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    Well if this is my team I'm keeping Vasilevsky and Bishop. LA is the weakest team of the three and Quick has the biggest injury concern. Bishop is on a very strong team with an excellent defensive coach. If you're so strong in goal make a trade for a better center or D before the deadline
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    I think it was less about Tampa "Giving Bishop Away"... and more about the reason. With the required signing of Kuch, TJ, Palat etc after Stamkos' contract, there just wasn't room for Bishop. And Vas has been the shiny new toy they've been waiting on... and at a fraction of the cost. This all has to do with Cap Management in my mind.

    Having Said that, I wouldn't fault anyone for choosing Vas, But my conservative gut places Bishop Over Vas. Dallas will be better defensively this year with a new mindset and some new bodies. I just trust the young Vet over the unknown at the moment.

    However, I’d be inclined to try and shop QUICK for an upgrade elsewhere and take a chance on both Bishop AND Vas.

    Keeping Quick and Bishop (both arguably earning the BAB tag) may be scary and frustrating.

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    I agree with the others that I'd rather hold Vasilevskiy AND Bishop and move out Quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    I agree with the others that I'd rather hold Vasilevskiy AND Bishop and move out Quick.
    I too think this is the right move here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    I agree with the others that I'd rather hold Vasilevskiy AND Bishop and move out Quick.
    First off, thanks for the feedback, greatly appreciated as always!

    I do have to say, I am completely surprised at the responses regarding shipping out Quick. Frankly, that was not even in consideration, so now I'm even more perplexed...

    I'm not sure how keeping Bishop and Vas over Quick is justified based on previous years/experience. I'm always open to feedback (which is why I posted originally) but this I'm a bit confused about. Feel free to enlighten me further as to why an unproven goalie and a goalie coming off a terrible season is the safer bet than an established elite goalie. Thanks!
    FANTASY LEAGUE: "Hockey Night on Hoth" (est. 2012)
    TEAM NAME: "The Barrelriders"

    FORMAT: H2H Keeper League (Keep 4 - no more than two per position)
    TEAM FORMAT: 12 Teams, 17 Players per Team (3C, 4W, 3D, 2G, 5Util)
    STAT CATS: G, A, P, PPP, FW, Shots, Hits, Blocks | Wins, SVS, GAA, SV%

    MY TEAM:

    C | N. Mackinnon,
    W | J. Benn, J. Pavelski
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    Quote Originally Posted by stotan View Post
    First off, thanks for the feedback, greatly appreciated as always!

    I do have to say, I am completely surprised at the responses regarding shipping out Quick. Frankly, that was not even in consideration, so now I'm even more perplexed...

    I'm not sure how keeping Bishop and Vas over Quick is justified based on previous years/experience. I'm always open to feedback (which is why I posted originally) but this I'm a bit confused about. Feel free to enlighten me further as to why an unproven goalie and a goalie coming off a terrible season is the safer bet than an established elite goalie. Thanks!
    Hehe. Cause it is always easy to gamble with someone else's money....

    Vas is young and highly regarded. On a strong team.
    Bishop is a proven top goalie who has been given a very good situation.
    Quick is older and on a team that is on the decline...

    I understand both sides....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    I agree with the others that I'd rather hold Vasilevskiy AND Bishop and move out Quick.
    Another vote for this. It's exactly what I was thinking before even reading the other replies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Referee3083 View Post
    Another vote for this. It's exactly what I was thinking before even reading the other replies.
    I am protecting Forsberg and O'Reilly. We have FOW in our league, and O'Reilly is one of the best in the league for that category and is extremely valuable in a 12-team league. That means I have space for only two goalies. If I do let Quick go, all I can get is a draft pick for this year's draft for him. He won't make it past the expansion draft I'd imagine, so I might as well get something for him. I was planning on shipping either Vas or Bishop but I'm amazed at the responses and, frankly, it's made me reconsider. I have one team in mind who is desperate for a goalie upgrade, so I may be able to snag a decent pick from him, but that's about it.
    FANTASY LEAGUE: "Hockey Night on Hoth" (est. 2012)
    TEAM NAME: "The Barrelriders"

    FORMAT: H2H Keeper League (Keep 4 - no more than two per position)
    TEAM FORMAT: 12 Teams, 17 Players per Team (3C, 4W, 3D, 2G, 5Util)
    STAT CATS: G, A, P, PPP, FW, Shots, Hits, Blocks | Wins, SVS, GAA, SV%

    MY TEAM:

    C | N. Mackinnon,
    W | J. Benn, J. Pavelski
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    This is for a keep 4 correct? If so I am only keeping 1 goalie, not two. I'd be looking to trade one of the goalies (Valsilevski is the sexiest) + Kuznetzov for a D keeper who is better than Carlson.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    This is for a keep 4 correct? If so I am only keeping 1 goalie, not two. I'd be looking to trade one of the goalies (Valsilevski is the sexiest) + Kuznetzov for a D keeper who is better than Carlson.


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    This is where I'm at. In a keep 4, I'd only keep 1 goalie. Especially in a smallish league.

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    I think I'd still keep two goalies in your league. I really like the idea of trying to go after the GM who is goalie deficient and dangle all three goalies to see what lands you the highest return (pick or pick swap). I also like the idea of trying to package a goalie and Kuz to upgrade Carlson. It would have to be significant though because Carlson has rebound written all over him. Carlson is 50 points with a nice pile of blocked shots and PPP. Your league is similar to mine in that you have to be creative to make trades in the off-season given the limit on keepers. Exploit another GM's deficiencies... only thing you can do other than make tough keeper choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhonny View Post
    I think I'd still keep two goalies in your league. I really like the idea of trying to go after the GM who is goalie deficient and dangle all three goalies to see what lands you the highest return (pick or pick swap). I also like the idea of trying to package a goalie and Kuz to upgrade Carlson. It would have to be significant though because Carlson has rebound written all over him. Carlson is 50 points with a nice pile of blocked shots and PPP. Your league is similar to mine in that you have to be creative to make trades in the off-season given the limit on keepers. Exploit another GM's deficiencies... only thing you can do other than make tough keeper choices.
    Thanks for your feedback! Yeah, I think people underestimate how vital it is to have 2 starters in a 12-team, keep 5 league. And I have 3, so I need to get something out of it.

    I like your idea. I'm chatting with the GM who only has Lundqvist as his #1. I could package, let's say, Bishop (who should I package?) with Kuznetsov for his OEL and a 6th or something? Do you think he'd keep Kuznetsov over Pacioretty or Panarin?
    FANTASY LEAGUE: "Hockey Night on Hoth" (est. 2012)
    TEAM NAME: "The Barrelriders"

    FORMAT: H2H Keeper League (Keep 4 - no more than two per position)
    TEAM FORMAT: 12 Teams, 17 Players per Team (3C, 4W, 3D, 2G, 5Util)
    STAT CATS: G, A, P, PPP, FW, Shots, Hits, Blocks | Wins, SVS, GAA, SV%

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    W | J. Benn, J. Pavelski
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    G | A. Vasilevskiy

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    I don't think so... unless he sees the PP1 that Kuz should now get over Johansson's departure... maybe package Carlson with Bishop for OEL... who is his second best Dman?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhonny View Post
    I don't think so... unless he sees the PP1 that Kuz should now get over Johansson's departure... maybe package Carlson with Bishop for OEL... who is his second best Dman?
    His next best d-men are Krug/Parayko. Not sure if that's much of an upgrade, if any, for me. Really only OEL, but he's already informed me he's keeping OEL as his D man. I'm offering him your suggestion so we'll see what happens!
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    TEAM NAME: "The Barrelriders"

    FORMAT: H2H Keeper League (Keep 4 - no more than two per position)
    TEAM FORMAT: 12 Teams, 17 Players per Team (3C, 4W, 3D, 2G, 5Util)
    STAT CATS: G, A, P, PPP, FW, Shots, Hits, Blocks | Wins, SVS, GAA, SV%

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    W | J. Benn, J. Pavelski
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    G | A. Vasilevskiy

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