Fix my goalie scores?

[Starstruck]

Hi there,
Our keeper pool is discussing whether we need to change how the goalie scoring is set up. For those of you not in H2H pools, how do your goalies score fantasy points? What are the stats and weights involved? Any lessons learned?

Here is how it works at the moment:

Keep 6 players (CRLD+2 any position)
Cumulative points league
8 teams, 4C 3R 3L 5D 2G 5B
Max 82 games per roster spot
Skaters G, A, .5+-, .1B, .1H
Goalies 2W -1L, -1GA, .1SV, 4SO

Any other suggestions regarding the scoring?

Thanks.

[Deuces6]

Points only pool I'm in scores goalies:
2pts for win
1pt for otl/shl
+1 for so

It works fairly well, keeps it simple.

[MZac]

A 30 save shutout is worth wayyyyyy to much at 9 points if you ask me. Virtually impossible for any other position to get anywhere near that on a single night. I'd start by dropping shutouts down to 1 point extra.

[pmorrow]

I would boost W to 3 or 4, drop SO to 1 or 2, lower GA to -.5 or .3 or something. In my fantrax league we do this and it works out nicely.

[Starstruck]

The main complaint is that W/L is not a goalie stat, it's a team stat. Good goalies on bad teams don't get rostered while mediocre goalies on good teams are must starts because of the value of a win. I agree that the SO value is outrageous, especially for something so arbitrary. Curious about the impact of reducing the penalty for a goal against though...I'll look into it.

[horrorfan]

What I would try to figure out first is how much of a contribution do you want a goalie to have on your team? I would look beyond the total points of one goalie vs one skater - they are not necessarily comparable 1-to-1. You have 15 starting skater slots and 2 goalie slots. So what percentage of your roster should be allocated to goalie points? In a vacuum, I would argue that one goalie should get more points than one skater on a given night because goalies only account for 2/17 of your starting allocation. Otherwise, you are devaluing goaltending too much (especially in a smaller sized league), which would take away some of the strategy in acquiring them. You want to give them enough value for the top ones to be important, but not too much where they become overvalued (real and perceived) - that's a challenging balance to achieve but worth the effort to determine.

So my suggestion is - before tinkering with the goalie category weights - to decide:

1. What percentage of points would the league be happy to have for goalies compared to skaters, in relation to your team as a whole?
2. Then come up with that number e.g. a top skater equals 3 points/night, a top goalie equals 6 points/night etc.
3. Once you have that number, adjust the weights to come up with that number, keeping in mind what is the likely occurrence and not over/undervaluing specific categories.
e.g. should a win giving up 5 goals on 25 shots be more valuable than a loss giving up 2 goals on 35 shots? (these type of questions)

I hope that makes sense. I've seen comments on numerous threads over the years focusing too much on one skater vs one goalie and saying that goalies are too valuable because they get way more points than top skaters. It's not always as simple as that.