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    July 2nd - Fourth Domino Falls... "The Arizona Coyotes have acquired Auston Matthews from the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for the Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Arizona's #7 overall pick in the 2016 entry draft and their 1st round pick in 2017."

    This really is imagined. No chance Arizona gives up all of that to get Matthews, I think it would take Matthews plus to get Larsson. He might be the best all around defenceman in the league, and honestly I don't think Domi career wise is going to be that far from Matthews.
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    This really is imagined. No chance Arizona gives up all of that to get Matthews, I think it would take Matthews plus to get Larsson. He might be the best all around defenceman in the league, and honestly I don't think Domi career wise is going to be that far from Matthews.
    I wasnt' going to reply to all this stuff after my screw up earlier..

    But I really agree with this (well, not sure about Domi comparison, but..)

    You look at San Jose and what's the biggest change there? Brent Burns has given them a Norris calibre dman.
    TBay has one in Hedman
    Letang is that guy for Pittsburgh
    Pietrangelo is the big dog in StLouis.

    That's a common thread.

    And Arizona - despite the temptation to get the local kid - thinks it's already on the right path and thinks it has a future 1C in Strome. They may or may not be right on that.

    But what they definitely have is a #1 defenseman at a Norris-calibre level. OEL is as legit as they come. And they also don't have anyone behind him anywhere near his level

    I know it's an interesting proposition to suggest Matthews for OEL. But I simply cannot see it happening. No way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungchen3 View Post
    I don't think the Yotes would put OEL in any deal, even one for Matthews.

    That said, even without OEL, they still have enough pieces to get a deal done IMO ... if they're willing to "overpay" ... and the Leafs do feel they "will" sign Stamkos as their top line C for the next 7 years.

    I can imagine a scenario where...

    Toronto Maple Leafs get: Domi, Dvorak, 7th overall, 1st in 2017 (lottery protected)

    Arizona Coyotes get: 1st overall (Matthews), Lupul, 3rd rounder in 2016



    Why the Leafs would do this:

    By signing Stamkos, the Leafs are adding an elite-level, 1st line C to be the "face" of their franchise for the next 7 years (possibly through retirement with a follow-up deal). Slated behind Stamkos in the 2C slot is Kadri. In the deal with Arizona, the Leafs land a blue-chip C prospect in Dvorak with tremendous #2C upside, making them very respectable up the middle ... and that's without continuing to toy around with Nylander as top-end pivot.

    However, the "big pieces" of the deal for the Buds are Domi and the 7th overall, which pretty much guarantees them one of Juolevi, Nylander, Jost, Chychrun, Brown, Sergachev (or Dubois if he miraculously falls a couple spots). IMO, the Leafs would target these players at 7 (in order):

    1. Juolevi - Projects to be a top-pairing, transitional defender with excellent hockey IQ and vision. Along with Rielly, Juolevi would give the Leafs another stud on the blue line for the next decade who excels at the type of cerebral game coach Babcock professes. Juolevi has been compared to current NHLers (from best to worst): Keith, Ekman-Larsson, Josi, Lindholm, Maatta. Either way, Juolevi should be nothing less than a #2 D on a competitive team... or, worst case scenario, a #3 who anchors the 2nd D pairing and loads up on special teams.

    2. Nylander - A dynamic, offensive player who projects to be a flashy, above-average scorer at the NHL level. Not to mention, the novelty factor of watching the "Flying Nylanders" work their magic in Toronto for years to come. If the Leafs are parting with Matthews, the attractiveness of the Nylanders teaming up together make for a great story in hockey-mad Leafland. And, this ranks 3rd in the pecking order behind the headlines created by "Stamkos Coming Home" and "Domi 2.0 in Toronto." In fact, Leaf fans would be so giddy about Stamkos, Domi and Nylander that Dvorak (a quality player in his own right) and another 1st next year coming back from the desert would be practically forgotten in all the hoopla.

    3. Chychrun - A big, multi-dimensional defender with very nice upside. Once considered a Top 2-3 pick in the 2016 draft, Chychrun has slipped a bit, but he still projects to be a beefy D-Man who can skate, log big minutes, and hammer the puck. If he ends up a (good) version of Phaneuf, Jack Johnson or Jacob Trouba, the Leafs have a pillar on D they can build around in addition to Morgan Rielly.

    4. Sergachev - His stock has risen this year similarly to Ivan Provorov's last year. This swift-skating Russian, who packs a cannon of a shot, has an untapped ceiling and could easily be considered an elite prospect - this time next year - just like countryman Provorov is today. Just imagine Ivan Provorov being the "3rd piece" in a deal for Auston Matthews, with Max Domi, Christian Dvorak and a 1st round pick in 2017 being the others. At the very least, imagine a player who can wire the puck like ex-Leaf Bryan McCabe running a PP with Morgan Rielly one day. At worst, he'd be a PP2 mainstay if Stamkos occupies a point on the 1st PP in Toronto.

    So, assuming the obvious (that Matthews, Laine and Puljujarvi go 1-2-3), the Leafs are a lock to land one of the above four prospects along with the rest of the haul for the Matthews pick. Of course, this is based on Toronto feeling that a Stamkos signing is in the bag. And, we haven't really talked about the Domi impact. Not only will Max be loved in Toronto because of his style of play but the "Domi" name carries a certain amount of cache up there. Yes, it's a great story that Max gets to follow in his dad's footsteps, but let's not forget that he is an offensive spark plug with a wonderful shot and the ability to hover around a PPG in his prime. He's also blessed with loads of character and the "it factor" that Stanley Cup winning teams covet.

    At the end of the day, Auston Matthews projects to be a franchise center in the NHL. We're talking a Jack Eickel, Ryan Getzlaf, Tyler Seguin, Jonathan Toews type of talent. These kids don't grow on trees - and will be organizational staples for more than a decade - but the Leafs must consider this deal based on how it can make them a better all-around team, considering Stamkos will be stepping into the same slot Matthews would conceivably occupy. As for the Leafs' core moving forward, just imagine...

    Stamkos
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    Kadri
    Domi
    W.Nylander
    Marner
    Dvorak
    Kapanen
    Rielly
    Juolevi / Chychrun / Sergachev
    Gardiner
    Zaitsev

    etc. ... that's pretty darn impressive and it will accelerate any rebuild, by a lot.




    Why the Coyotes would do this:

    Plain and simple, the Coyotes are absolutely licking their chops at the outside potential of landing the franchise center with local ties. Considering the Yotes could feasibly acquire Matthews without moving their franchise cornerstone in Ekman-Larsson (in this scenario), they are willing to gamble and "overpay" with additional assets to get a deal done. Arizona also has a few nice, young wingers in Duclair, Merkley and Perlini who can line up next to pivots like Matthews and Strome in the near future.

    The opportunity to roll out Matthews and Strome up the middle is just too good to pass up for Arizona, even if the price is steep. Losing a 1st rounder in 2017 will indeed hurt, but the pick would be protected in the extreme event the Coyotes win the lottery. Losing Domi will also sting as he impressed everyone during his rookie season. While he's not the type of big center you build around, he showed flashes of being a Mark Recchi type of player - loaded with skill, character and enough moxie to one day be a top scorer on a contender. Even so, the Coyotes brass make the bold move and build around Matthews, Ekman-Larsson and Strome.

    Despite the hefty tag, if John Chayka's first move as GM is a blockbuster that lands Auston Matthews, without parting with Oliver Ekman-Larsson, he'll be walking on water in Arizona. Wait, is there even water in the desert?!
    Really fun read. I could see that happening more so than the OEL + + + trade. Mark Hunter would push management for this as well, I think. And then target Juolevi (or Nylander). Mark doesn't like waiting for a rebuild. I don't think Shanny does either, even though he's good at pretending. They are going to try to win with young talent ASAP (can see them pushing for playoffs in 2 years time - unpopular opinion? maybe.).

    Don't think Babcock would like the trade though... I can see him wanting Matthews on his squad for the next 10 years+. Domi and Dvorak are top 6 talents - they would help shore up and streamline the forward corps rebuild and get rid of some dead-weight. It does look like the Leafs are slowly building out a 3/4 skilled lines strategy (like Red Wings of old and the Lightning of new). Drafting Juolevi at 7 is nice too.

    But, at the same time, you don't get your hands on a ***franchise #1C*** everyday... Even with Stamkos coming in... I don't think Kadri is the 2nd line C solution in a winning formula either... Don't see Matthews playing anywhere else but TO next season... even though these are the perfect, *perfect* scenarios...

    My thoughts kind of took off there didn't they? Ah well... This is a fun thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fungchen3 View Post
    I don't think the Yotes would put OEL in any deal, even one for Matthews.

    That said, even without OEL, they still have enough pieces to get a deal done IMO ... if they're willing to "overpay" ... and the Leafs do feel they "will" sign Stamkos as their top line C for the next 7 years.

    I can imagine a scenario where...

    Toronto Maple Leafs get: Domi, Dvorak, 7th overall, 1st in 2017 (lottery protected)

    Arizona Coyotes get: 1st overall (Matthews), Lupul, 3rd rounder in 2016



    Why the Leafs would do this:

    By signing Stamkos, the Leafs are adding an elite-level, 1st line C to be the "face" of their franchise for the next 7 years (possibly through retirement with a follow-up deal). Slated behind Stamkos in the 2C slot is Kadri. In the deal with Arizona, the Leafs land a blue-chip C prospect in Dvorak with tremendous #2C upside, making them very respectable up the middle ... and that's without continuing to toy around with Nylander as top-end pivot.

    However, the "big pieces" of the deal for the Buds are Domi and the 7th overall, which pretty much guarantees them one of Juolevi, Nylander, Jost, Chychrun, Brown, Sergachev (or Dubois if he miraculously falls a couple spots). IMO, the Leafs would target these players at 7 (in order):

    1. Juolevi - Projects to be a top-pairing, transitional defender with excellent hockey IQ and vision. Along with Rielly, Juolevi would give the Leafs another stud on the blue line for the next decade who excels at the type of cerebral game coach Babcock professes. Juolevi has been compared to current NHLers (from best to worst): Keith, Ekman-Larsson, Josi, Lindholm, Maatta. Either way, Juolevi should be nothing less than a #2 D on a competitive team... or, worst case scenario, a #3 who anchors the 2nd D pairing and loads up on special teams.

    2. Nylander - A dynamic, offensive player who projects to be a flashy, above-average scorer at the NHL level. Not to mention, the novelty factor of watching the "Flying Nylanders" work their magic in Toronto for years to come. If the Leafs are parting with Matthews, the attractiveness of the Nylanders teaming up together make for a great story in hockey-mad Leafland. And, this ranks 3rd in the pecking order behind the headlines created by "Stamkos Coming Home" and "Domi 2.0 in Toronto." In fact, Leaf fans would be so giddy about Stamkos, Domi and Nylander that Dvorak (a quality player in his own right) and another 1st next year coming back from the desert would be practically forgotten in all the hoopla.

    3. Chychrun - A big, multi-dimensional defender with very nice upside. Once considered a Top 2-3 pick in the 2016 draft, Chychrun has slipped a bit, but he still projects to be a beefy D-Man who can skate, log big minutes, and hammer the puck. If he ends up a (good) version of Phaneuf, Jack Johnson or Jacob Trouba, the Leafs have a pillar on D they can build around in addition to Morgan Rielly.

    4. Sergachev - His stock has risen this year similarly to Ivan Provorov's last year. This swift-skating Russian, who packs a cannon of a shot, has an untapped ceiling and could easily be considered an elite prospect - this time next year - just like countryman Provorov is today. Just imagine Ivan Provorov being the "3rd piece" in a deal for Auston Matthews, with Max Domi, Christian Dvorak and a 1st round pick in 2017 being the others. At the very least, imagine a player who can wire the puck like ex-Leaf Bryan McCabe running a PP with Morgan Rielly one day. At worst, he'd be a PP2 mainstay if Stamkos occupies a point on the 1st PP in Toronto.

    So, assuming the obvious (that Matthews, Laine and Puljujarvi go 1-2-3), the Leafs are a lock to land one of the above four prospects along with the rest of the haul for the Matthews pick. Of course, this is based on Toronto feeling that a Stamkos signing is in the bag. And, we haven't really talked about the Domi impact. Not only will Max be loved in Toronto because of his style of play but the "Domi" name carries a certain amount of cache up there. Yes, it's a great story that Max gets to follow in his dad's footsteps, but let's not forget that he is an offensive spark plug with a wonderful shot and the ability to hover around a PPG in his prime. He's also blessed with loads of character and the "it factor" that Stanley Cup winning teams covet.

    At the end of the day, Auston Matthews projects to be a franchise center in the NHL. We're talking a Jack Eickel, Ryan Getzlaf, Tyler Seguin, Jonathan Toews type of talent. These kids don't grow on trees - and will be organizational staples for more than a decade - but the Leafs must consider this deal based on how it can make them a better all-around team, considering Stamkos will be stepping into the same slot Matthews would conceivably occupy. As for the Leafs' core moving forward, just imagine...

    Stamkos
    JVR
    Kadri
    Domi
    W.Nylander
    Marner
    Dvorak
    Kapanen
    Rielly
    Juolevi / Chychrun / Sergachev
    Gardiner
    Zaitsev

    etc. ... that's pretty darn impressive and it will accelerate any rebuild, by a lot.




    Why the Coyotes would do this:

    Plain and simple, the Coyotes are absolutely licking their chops at the outside potential of landing the franchise center with local ties. Considering the Yotes could feasibly acquire Matthews without moving their franchise cornerstone in Ekman-Larsson (in this scenario), they are willing to gamble and "overpay" with additional assets to get a deal done. Arizona also has a few nice, young wingers in Duclair, Merkley and Perlini who can line up next to pivots like Matthews and Strome in the near future.

    The opportunity to roll out Matthews and Strome up the middle is just too good to pass up for Arizona, even if the price is steep. Losing a 1st rounder in 2017 will indeed hurt, but the pick would be protected in the extreme event the Coyotes win the lottery. Losing Domi will also sting as he impressed everyone during his rookie season. While he's not the type of big center you build around, he showed flashes of being a Mark Recchi type of player - loaded with skill, character and enough moxie to one day be a top scorer on a contender. Even so, the Coyotes brass make the bold move and build around Matthews, Ekman-Larsson and Strome.

    Despite the hefty tag, if John Chayka's first move as GM is a blockbuster that lands Auston Matthews, without parting with Oliver Ekman-Larsson, he'll be walking on water in Arizona. Wait, is there even water in the desert?!


    As a hypothetical I like your suggestion. Tkachuk might be a solid target with the draft pick to go with Marner and Dvorak ofcourse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burnsy00 View Post
    As a hypothetical I like your suggestion. Tkachuk might be a solid target with the draft pick to go with Marner and Dvorak ofcourse.
    Here is my suggestion!!


    Trade 1 – Toronto trades conditional 2nd round pick to Tampa based on Stamko’s Signing. Sign him 7 years, 10million per. By landing Stamkos it gives them the opportunity to do the following!!

    Trade 2 – 3 way trade
    Toronto – Sends 1st overall pick to PHX for Dvorak and Oilers 4th overall pick and PHX 2nd round pick
    Oilers – Send 4th overall pick, 2017 1st round pick, and Nurse to PHX for OEL and PHX 7th overall pick.
    PHX – Drafts hometown boy Matthews first overall, Nurse and get Oilers 2017 1st round pick.

    Win – Win – Win

    Toronto:
    Marner’s entire Memorial Cup line stays together in Toronto (Dvorak/Marner/Tkachuk). They lock up Stamkos to play with Nylander and Kapanen. (also get a very early second round pick)

    Oilers:
    Get a Norris Caliber Dman and receive a 7th overall pick to draft Dman Jacob Chychrun. (keep their second round pick to gamble on Sean Day)

    Phoenix:
    Top Prospect Matthews, Darnell Nurse and 2017 first round pick
    Last edited by Johner; May 30, 2016 at 2:54 PM. Reason: swapped out 2nd round pick for 2017 1st :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johner View Post
    Here is my suggestion!!


    Trade 1 – Toronto trades conditional 2nd round pick to Tampa based on Stamko’s Signing. Sign him 7 years, 10million per. By landing Stamkos it gives them the opportunity to do the following!!

    Trade 2 – 3 way trade
    Toronto – Sends 1st overall pick to PHX for Dvorak and Oilers 4th overall pick and PHX 2nd round pick
    Oilers – Send 4th overall pick, 2017 1st round pick, and Nurse to PHX for OEL and PHX 7th overall pick.
    PHX – Drafts hometown boy Matthews first overall, Nurse and get Oilers 2017 1st round pick.

    Win – Win – Win

    Toronto:
    Marner’s entire Memorial Cup line stays together in Toronto (Dvorak/Marner/Tkachuk). They lock up Stamkos to play with Nylander and Kapanen. (also get a very early second round pick)

    Oilers:
    Get a Norris Caliber Dman and receive a 7th overall pick to draft Dman Jacob Chychrun. (keep their second round pick to gamble on Sean Day)

    Phoenix:
    Top Prospect Matthews, Darnell Nurse and 2017 first round pick
    I’m not saying it’s a bad idea, but I am saying that the draft happens prior to Free Agency. So Toronto even though Toronto can talk to Stamkos now a week before FA, he can say he’s signing with Toronto and then just not. Making Toronto do those trades and not have a C1 again. Unless it’s a sign and trade with Tampa, don’t think it happens.

    However, I would love to see Toronto REALLY push to get Tkachuk. Like a Pitts 1st+ for the 4th-7th overall. My guess would be if they wanted Tkachuk, they’d make a deal with Vancouver for the 5th overall, but I’m not even sure who you could dangle in front of Vanouver.
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