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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldendelicious View Post
    Impressive...what did the leafs give up here? lol

    All honesty though, they draft Matthews, there really is not much incentive to pickup Stamkos. You want Matthews to play Center and not pull the same crap Montreal did by flipping him over to the wing. Kadri starts out as #1C to allow Matthews to adjust to the flow of the game and take some of the pressure off of playing against #1 pairings and top shutdown lines night in night out (at least to start).
    Clearly i meant Tie Domi....

    Insert any of their like 14F they had cycling through. PAP maybe? but he's a LW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2014olympicgold View Post
    Clearly i meant Tie Domi....

    Insert any of their like 14F they had cycling through. PAP maybe? but he's a LW.
    Just giving ya a hard time

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    So help me god if the Leafs sign Stamkos to an AAV of 13M. I really would hope that they're smarter than that. Whether there is a legitimate health risk involved in signing him or not, I hope for whichever teams sake that signs him that he comes at a price under what CHI dished out for their golden boys. I know its an exaggeration, but with the league constantly improving as a whole I really think the one timer from the left circle is becoming less and less of the cash cow that it once was. Don't tell Ovechkin that. Like I said, I know its an exaggeration to say that would SEVERLY limit Stamkos in the league, and I think he still does have the potential to score 50 goals, however with the cap where it is, and the position the leafs will be in 2-3 years down the road with expiring ELC's - I think 13M is out of the question
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2014olympicgold View Post
    The only way I consider trading the 1st overall is if you have Stamkos saying to the media he’s signing with Toronto, and the trade is for OEL, Domi and the 7th overall. Then with that pick, I’d just take best player available.
    So the 1st overall for OEL, Domi and the 7th overall? If you're Arizona, would you do it? I may be wrong, but they would'nt do OEL for the 1st overall.
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    I wouldn't do the first overall for just OEL....as a Leafs fan.

    I think a 'potential' number one center is more valuable than a number one D. Obviously that depends on the potential but the odds say Matthews will be a star centerman in the league.

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    And I find it amusing that whenever a Toronto based player gets linked to the Maple Leafs every gets frustrated and 'enough is enough'. Yet, Matthews hasn't even been drafted and rumours are linking him with Arizona.

    Too funny.

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    NO.WAY.TOR.TRADES.THIS.PICK!

    Even if they sign Stamkos (unlikely as their future cap situation would cripple them for a number of years).

    The leafs have committed to a plan and I don't see Shanny waivering from that plan. I can't count the number of times I heard him say you build through the draft so why would he trade an elite (not generational) C that is soooo difficult to acquire. In addition, the leafs didn't stockpile 12 picks this year (3 in the first 31 picks) for nothing.

    I expect another year of pain, a high draft pick again in 2017, then they will be set for the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Guru View Post
    I wouldn't do the first overall for just OEL....as a Leafs fan.

    I think a 'potential' number one center is more valuable than a number one D. Obviously that depends on the potential but the odds say Matthews will be a star centerman in the league.
    I could live with that and understand it. But OEL is already a star. And this is why I think the Leafs will draft Matthews and Arizona will keep OEL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Guru View Post
    And I find it amusing that whenever a Toronto based player gets linked to the Maple Leafs every gets frustrated and 'enough is enough'. Yet, Matthews hasn't even been drafted and rumours are linking him with Arizona.

    Too funny.
    I think this is media speculation more than rumors. But yeah, funny!
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    Default Re: [RUMOR/IMAGINED] - Matthews to ARI, OEL to TOR

    Quote Originally Posted by praba View Post
    the only way i trade Matthews for OEL is if we get Stamkos.

    #1C and #1D in one summer? that's how you go from rebuilding to playoffs.

    Kadri would stick as the #2C, and he'd eventually have some legit top 6 wingers to play with for once instead of the crap he's had to play with most of his career.

    Marner/Nylander would officially be set as wingers. JVR would likely stick with Stamkos.

    All we'd need to do is beef up our D a bit after we see how Zaitsev ends up. Add a couple FA signings to complement the core and trade for one of the numerous goalies available.

    fastest rebuild ever.
    Ummmm... haven't the Leafs been rebuilding since 1967? (or at least 2004)
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    So who is this 26-year old Chayka going to make deals with in the NHL?
    It's not like there are any other < 30-year old GM types around the league that are as into analytics as him?
    Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyemissgilmour View Post
    True enough, but many would point out that Matthews is a more valuable asset not only because he's a projected franchise center... but also because he doesn't have to be paid "star" money until late 2019, at the earliest. That cap flexibility has value all by itself.

    The Leafs would have to get an incredible package to even consider moving that pick.
    You're 100% right. But the risk behind Matthews as a projected franchise center has value. And this is why I said no deal will be done. I could be wrong, but I think both team will keep their assets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    So the 1st overall for OEL, Domi and the 7th overall? If you're Arizona, would you do it? I may be wrong, but they would'nt do OEL for the 1st overall.
    Oh I’m not saying it’s a fair trade. But if Yotes want Matthews they will have to overpay and by a lot.

    OEL + 7th, and maybe like a 2/3 round pick next yr for 1st overall is “fair” to the point where Toronto isn’t in any need to trade the pick, so they’ll take it. But adding Domi makes it a trade where Toronto can’t/won’t say no to.

    Toronto isn’t selling, Yotes are buying. Thus sellers’ market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    So who is this 26-year old Chayka going to make deals with in the NHL?
    It's not like there are any other < 30-year old GM types around the league that are as into analytics as him?
    Right?
    Those were my thoughts as well in the other thread.

    http://forums.dobbersports.com/showt...ghlight=chayka

    Mind you he can call Kyle Dubas who was reportedly offered the job in Arizona but turned it down. At least Dubas has experience running an OHL team.

    Like I said before, Tippett is going to have a larger role in decisions than we may realize, especially with his new 5 year deal tucked in his back pocket. BTW was it new GM Chayka that signed Tippett to his new deal?

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    Default Re: [RUMOR/IMAGINED] - Matthews to ARI, OEL to TOR

    True #1 C are hard to come by and a team doesn't/shouldn't get the first overall pick often so I just don't see TO trading the pick unless like 2014OG says, there's a gross overpayment.

    OEL is 6 years older, Matthews 18. The Stamkos theory doesn't make sense unless you are guaranteed to get Stamkos, but how does that happen since the draft is in June and Stamkos isn't a free agent until July 1. Even if you trade for the right to negotiate with Stamkos before July 1 there is still no guarantee he would sign.

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