[rumour] Stamkos and the Flames trade rumours

[roenick27]

That's a very interesting proposal. Calagry might have to give up a little more like a 1st round pick but I could see that working for both teams

Thanks Buddy. I think salaries for this year basically balance (future is uncertain)..
I think if Calgary is taking Stammer, there is a deal like Toews in place which to me, may nullify that need for the 1st in there..

[rangerfan2430]

Thanks Buddy. I think salaries for this year basically balance (future is uncertain)..
I think if Calgary is taking Stammer, there is a deal like Toews in place which to me, may nullify that need for the 1st in there..

True. I couldn't even imagine the reaction to a trade like this

[roenick27]

True. I couldn't even imagine the reaction to a trade like this

Precisely why I'm shocked that my phone doesn't ring for any GM vacancies...lol

[Rato]

Screw it. Calgary wants to make deals.
What about a hockey trade...

Stammer + Bishop
for
Monahan/Bennett + Hiller + Dougie + Ferland/Pick
Thoughts?

Don't know if they got interest in Hiller. They seem pretty confortable with Gudlevskis backing up Bishop right now instead of Poulin, so I guess they'd be confortable with him backing up Vasilevskyi.

[roenick27]

Don't know if they got interest in Hiller. They seem pretty confortable with Gudlevskis backing up Bishop right now instead of Poulin, so I guess they'd be confortable with him backing up Vasilevskyi.

His contract comes off the books this year. Maybe re-sign him more cheaply like a 2 yr 5Mil deal and he will split with Vasi with Vasi taking over more and more as time goes on? Or maybe he's just for this year...

I just feel (and Maybe I'm wrong and overly bored at work today) that this deal would help both teams and is actually somewhat feasible..

I'd be salivating at what TB would look like..
L1-Triplets
L2 Monahan/Bennett - Drouin- Callahan/Filps

Dougie-Hedman paired or 2 "waves" of D

[newfcollins]

One of the issues with your trade scenario is all the no trade clauses.

Stamkos has a no trade clause. Why would he waive it to go to a team like Calgary (and then re-sign with them)?

Also, Bishop has a no trade clause.

Why would either of those players, much less both of them, agree to leave a Cup-contending team like Tampa to go to Calgary?

I know you said a deal would need to be in place in advanced for Stamkos, but there's no way Yzerman is letting another team speak to Stamkos on a contract during the season.

And if Stamkos didn't re-sign in Calgary, there'd be a lynch mob. Trading 21-year-old Monahan, plus 22-year-old Hamilton, plus a pick, plus Hiller for what could be just Bishop next summer is extremely awful.

[rangerfan2430]

One of the issues with your trade scenario is all the no trade clauses.

Stamkos has a no trade clause. Why would he waive it to go to a team like Calgary (and then re-sign with them)?

Also, Bishop has a no trade clause.

Why would either of those players, much less both of them, agree to leave a Cup-contending team like Tampa to go to Calgary?

I know you said a deal would need to be in place in advanced for Stamkos, but there's no way Yzerman is letting another team speak to Stamkos on a contract during the season.

And if Stamkos didn't re-sign in Calgary, there'd be a lynch mob. Trading 21-year-old Monahan, plus 22-year-old Hamilton, plus a pick, plus Hiller for what could be just Bishop next summer is extremely awful.

Can a team like negotiate a contract with someone before they trade for him to make sure he would sign or is that against the CBA? I feel like if they couldn't, it would be a big gamble trading for Stamkos because of the package a team would have to give up

[newfcollins]

Can a team like negotiate a contract with someone before they trade for him to make sure he would sign or is that against the CBA? I feel like if they couldn't, it would be a big gamble trading for Stamkos because of the package a team would have to give up

I feel like in the past, some teams have allowed it, but it's usually in the offseason and for players that aren't very good any more. So Toronto might allow Sundin to speak to every team out there when the playoffs are over in hopes that if he agrees to a deal, they can trade him for a sixth rounder, or something like that. (Sundin is just an example: I think the Leafs allowed Bob Gainey to speak to Sundin in advanced for that reason, and Gainey went to Sweden to visit him).

I can't imagine any team allowing a distraction like that during a season for their superstar player.

[rangerfan2430]

I feel like in the past, some teams have allowed it, but it's usually in the offseason and for players that aren't very good any more. So Toronto might allow Sundin to speak to every team out there when the playoffs are over in hopes that if he agrees to a deal, they can trade him for a sixth rounder, or something like that. (Sundin is just an example: I think the Leafs allowed Bob Gainey to speak to Sundin in advanced for that reason, and Gainey went to Sweden to visit him).

I can't imagine any team allowing a distraction like that during a season for their superstar player.

True. You would think then a team wouldn't give up any important pieces for Stamkos if he might not resign. Like why would Calgary give up Monahan or Bennet if Stamkos might not resign

[Jordyr77]

as a Flames fan I do not want Stamkos if I'm giving up Bennett or Monahan and a first or more. I think he's overrated and his numbers were inflated playing with St. Louis. Great player (obviously he's still a top 10-20 guaranteed) but I just think we'll give up too much and get a ridiculous contract. No interest. Flames have to stay the course with Bennett/Monahan/Gaudreau.

[rangerfan2430]

as a Flames fan I do not want Stamkos if I'm giving up Bennett or Monahan and a first or more. I think he's overrated and his numbers were inflated playing with St. Louis. Great player (obviously he's still a top 10-20 guaranteed) but I just think we'll give up too much and get a ridiculous contract. No interest. Flames have to stay the course with Bennett/Monahan/Gaudreau.

Ya I feel like that would be the Flames best bet

[Axeman33]

as a Flames fan I do not want Stamkos if I'm giving up Bennett or Monahan and a first or more. I think he's overrated and his numbers were inflated playing with St. Louis. Great player (obviously he's still a top 10-20 guaranteed) but I just think we'll give up too much and get a ridiculous contract. No interest. Flames have to stay the course with Bennett/Monahan/Gaudreau.

If you think he's a top 10-20 and a great player, how can you also say you think he's overrated?? Isn't that a bit of a contradiction? Can't say I've ever called anyone great and overrated in the same same train of thought.

With or without MSL, he's still a top 10 player in the league, and is not overrated. He's about to get PAID but I doubt there are too many teams out there who wouldn't love to have him on their roster.

[Jordyr77]

People at one point thought he was right behind Crosby but I disagree. There's probably 10+ players I'd take before him in real life hockey.

1. Crosby
2. Toews
3.Tavares
4. Malkin
5. Ovechkin
6. Giroux
7. Seguin
8. Bergeron
9. Kopitar
10. McDavid

[Axeman33]

People at one point thought he was right behind Crosby but I disagree. There's probably 10+ players I'd take before him in real life hockey.

I'm betting Monahan or Bennett aren't one of those 10.

[Jordyr77]

I would love him, but not for the price they'd ask.

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They're not, but I wouldn't give up them and much more.