Cap and Roster Violations. How to deter in the future?

[Oximeters]

Background: We have a GM in our league who seems to be struggling with our in season Cap and Roster limits. It is his second year in the league. He is very active on the WW and just completed two big trades however he seems to struggle with sticking to active roster limit and the Cap. He keeps needing to be reminded of this. His last trade put him over the CAP by $500,000. We discussed over turning the trade. We have in our constitution that trades that occur during the season must comply with CAP and roster limits at all times. As he was reminded of this he subsequently bought out a player with a Cap hit to get back under the cap. Because this wasn't his first violation and how reversing the trade would have affected the other teams in the trade we are trying to figure out a way to deter this from happening in the future.

Do other leagues have a fine system in place and how does it look. Cash Fines? Loss of Draft picks?

Looking for suggestions to possiblely add to our league rules.

Thanks

[DrakeZero]

In our league we have a draft loss system based on the severity of the amount. For example, in our league, he would lose his 3rd round pick for the coming draft year if he was over by 500K. And if he did it again even if it's only 500K, the punishment jumps up to a 2nd rounder and so forth. If it became very serious the commissioner would lock his team for a week though we have never gotten someone that bad before. Losing a 3rd rounder usually gets them to straighten out.

[Oximeters]

In our league we have a draft loss system based on the severity of the amount. For example, in our league, he would lose his 3rd round pick for the coming draft year if he was over by 500K. And if he did it again even if it's only 500K, the punishment jumps up to a 2nd rounder and so forth. If it became very serious the commissioner would lock his team for a week though we have never gotten someone that bad before. Losing a 3rd rounder usually gets them to straighten out.

What happens if that pick has been traded by the offending GM?

[Axeman33]

We have in our constitution that trades that occur during the season must comply with CAP and roster limits at all times.

What does your constitution say if they do not comply with CAP and roster limits? You have it in there that they must comply but do you have any punishments in there if they don't?

[domal]

In my league,
Trades cannot be made if it makes the team cap illegal. Rosters are set 1 week in advance and if the trade is processed and the GM doesn't adjust his/her roster to be cap complient then the team either loses or gains points for that week depending where they are in the standings.

Background: We have a GM in our league who seems to be struggling with our in season Cap and Roster limits. It is his second year in the league. He is very active on the WW and just completed two big trades however he seems to struggle with sticking to active roster limit and the Cap. He keeps needing to be reminded of this. His last trade put him over the CAP by $500,000. We discussed over turning the trade. We have in our constitution that trades that occur during the season must comply with CAP and roster limits at all times. As he was reminded of this he subsequently bought out a player with a Cap hit to get back under the cap. Because this wasn't his first violation and how reversing the trade would have affected the other teams in the trade we are trying to figure out a way to deter this from happening in the future.

Do other leagues have a fine system in place and how does it look. Cash Fines? Loss of Draft picks?

Looking for suggestions to possiblely add to our league rules.

Thanks

[Dobbernomics]

Background: We have a GM in our league who seems to be struggling with our in season Cap and Roster limits. It is his second year in the league. He is very active on the WW and just completed two big trades however he seems to struggle with sticking to active roster limit and the Cap. He keeps needing to be reminded of this. His last trade put him over the CAP by $500,000. We discussed over turning the trade. We have in our constitution that trades that occur during the season must comply with CAP and roster limits at all times. As he was reminded of this he subsequently bought out a player with a Cap hit to get back under the cap. Because this wasn't his first violation and how reversing the trade would have affected the other teams in the trade we are trying to figure out a way to deter this from happening in the future.
Thanks

Which provider do you use to track your fantasy league? Yahoo? Fantrax?

I use Fantrax, and it's very easy to let the system handle what they call "roster violations" and well as salary cap violations.....

[Pengwin7]

re: OP.
The salary cap dynasty league that I'm had a long, long, LONG discussion about violation of rules and applying penalty after last season.
We had one team that basically went AWOL (intentionally), left his healthy players on his IR for half the season, not setting his roster, because if he had attended to it, he would've been over-cap and would've had to waive a good player.
He basically left both Johan Franzen & Marian Gaborik on his IR from late-Feb to end of season... didn't set his line-up... tanked his team down to last or 2nd last (can't remember) and was in line for a good draft pick.
Ultimately, although it wasn't in the rules... we determined (thankfully, two commissioners make this easier to do) to strip him of his first round prospect pick (top three) and give it back to him at end of 1st round.
He wasn't happy - but c'mon, he broke the rules clearly.
And several teams wanted him out (he barely passed through to being kept, in an informal PM collection of views on his activity).

Following that problem... we had the lengthy discussion, as a league, about what to do.

I spent a lot of time on an infraction/demerit system for rule violations.
A. LOT.
Maybe 30+ hours.

Ultimately though (and I've told this to others)... you have to be willing to scrap your own research/investment if you realize it's not in the best interest of the league.

And it wasn't.
It was too rigid, too policing, too... negative.

Instead, we just wrote in a line saying along this "It is expected that ALL GM will actively manage their teams within the league rules as a general regard towards "fair play". We all know the rules, please be active and follow them. If rules are broken, the commissioners will discuss an appropriate penalty to administer."

Now... that's a "grey area" clause to put in a rule.
But it did keep our league from being too... strict.
Some people were really worried that the "fun factor" would go away if we set a system of infraction points in place.

Thus far, this year, even with the pending McDavid/Eichel lottery... I've been really happy with our 12 GMs.
It's a good group, we discussed our issues as a league.
We decided against a rigid quantitative infraction system.
And we went with an open-option clause to give the commissioners the opportunity to discuss an "appropriate penalty" when rules are broken.

Obviously, we haven't gotten to a point yet where we do have to evaluate a rule-breaker.
And when that day comes... it might be tricky.

But this is how our league went about our own case.

Good luck.

[2014olympicgold]

I would just say make the trade have to go through the commish first, and you can determine if it’s legal (cap hit and roster players).

[Oximeters]

we use CBS, it gave the GM the warning that he was over the cap after the trade went through. we use to have the commish approve trades but changed this as it wasnt an issue before this new GM came in. Maybe we need to go back to this to ensure cap and rosters limits are not violated. Thanks for your input guys will bring your suggestions forward to the league commish.

[Oximeters]

Yes we too don't want it to become too strict and lose its appeal to the GM's.

re: OP.
The salary cap dynasty league that I'm had a long, long, LONG discussion about violation of rules and applying penalty after last season.
We had one team that basically went AWOL (intentionally), left his healthy players on his IR for half the season, not setting his roster, because if he had attended to it, he would've been over-cap and would've had to waive a good player.
He basically left both Johan Franzen & Marian Gaborik on his IR from late-Feb to end of season... didn't set his line-up... tanked his team down to last or 2nd last (can't remember) and was in line for a good draft pick.
Ultimately, although it wasn't in the rules... we determined (thankfully, two commissioners make this easier to do) to strip him of his first round prospect pick (top three) and give it back to him at end of 1st round.
He wasn't happy - but c'mon, he broke the rules clearly.
And several teams wanted him out (he barely passed through to being kept, in an informal PM collection of views on his activity).

Following that problem... we had the lengthy discussion, as a league, about what to do.

I spent a lot of time on an infraction/demerit system for rule violations.
A. LOT.
Maybe 30+ hours.

Ultimately though (and I've told this to others)... you have to be willing to scrap your own research/investment if you realize it's not in the best interest of the league.

And it wasn't.
It was too rigid, too policing, too... negative.

Instead, we just wrote in a line saying along this "It is expected that ALL GM will actively manage their teams within the league rules as a general regard towards "fair play". We all know the rules, please be active and follow them. If rules are broken, the commissioners will discuss an appropriate penalty to administer."

Now... that's a "grey area" clause to put in a rule.
But it did keep our league from being too... strict.
Some people were really worried that the "fun factor" would go away if we set a system of infraction points in place.

Thus far, this year, even with the pending McDavid/Eichel lottery... I've been really happy with our 12 GMs.
It's a good group, we discussed our issues as a league.
We decided against a rigid quantitative infraction system.
And we went with an open-option clause to give the commissioners the opportunity to discuss an "appropriate penalty" when rules are broken.

Obviously, we haven't gotten to a point yet where we do have to evaluate a rule-breaker.
And when that day comes... it might be tricky.

But this is how our league went about our own case.

Good luck.

[DrakeZero]

What happens if that pick has been traded by the offending GM?

Sorry for taking so long to reply. If he has already traded the pick then it still gets bumped up to the next available pick. So again if he traded his 3rd rounder and violates the cap then he loses his 2nd rounder instead. Its a brutal punishment but keeps GM's conscious about the salary cap. As of today we have never had someone gone over the cap so I think its working for us.

[zakkthebear]

It can even be as simple as dropping a slot as well. if you have someone making multiple violations, and each one gets -1 spots, their #11 overall pick can be #15 after 4 violations. You can also have them lose protection slots. lots is out there and it can escalate to deal will willful violations as opposed to someone being on holiday and Beau Bennett coming off his later IR stint.