Ribeiro for Stamkos

[playmaker26]

Gaborlick wrote:

btw: Last season
TAMPA:
1st Period
Tampa Bay 1:31, Vincent Lecavalier 13 (power play) (Martin St. Louis, Brad Richards)
Washington 12:46, Brooks Laich 3 (Shaone Morrisonn, Boyd Gordon)
Washington 13:30, Alexander Ovechkin 13 (Chris Clark, Nicklas Backstrom)
Tampa Bay 15:19, Jan Hlavac 3 (unassisted)
2nd Period
Tampa Bay 10:22, Brad Richards 7 (power play) (Vincent Lecavalier)
Tampa Bay 19:32, Paul Ranger 4 (Martin St. Louis)
3rd Period
Tampa Bay 19:36, Martin St. Louis 7 (empty net) (Brad Richards, Vincent Lecavalier)
-------------------------

Dallas
Chicago 4:08, Dustin Byfuglien 13 (power play) (Jason Williams)
Dallas 4:57, Niklas Hagman 23 (Brad Richards, Trevor Daley)
Dallas 9:58, Mike Modano 18 (unassisted)
2nd Period
Dallas 2:47, Niklas Hagman 24 (Antti Miettinen, Brad Richards)
Dallas 4:41, Loui Eriksson 12 (Brenden Morrow, Mike Ribeiro)
Dallas 6:34, Trevor Daley 3 (Brad Richards, Antti Miettinen)
3rd Period
Chicago 4:25, Rene Bourque 7 (shorthanded) (unassisted)
Dallas 5:55, Niklas Hagman 25 (Brad Richards, Philippe Boucher)
Chicago 9:20, Andrew Ladd 10 (Petri Kontiola, Jason Williams)
Dallas 16:49, Jere Lehtinen 12 (power play) (Brad Richards, Mike Modano)
Chicago 18:15, Rene Bourque 8 (shorthanded) (Craig Adams)
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Look at the difference in who he is playing with and who he is scoring with.

Yeah, look who he\'s playing with. He was scoring on the PP in Tampa in that game. Nice try.

[Gaborlick]

playmaker26 wrote:

Crazynuck wrote:

playmaker great convo btw

stats are what matter:
6 pts in 11 games if you exclude his 5 pt night is not the sign of a PPG player.

but lets also talk about his situation:
given Richards situation in Dallas he will be on the #2 line.
Morrow and Ribs showed too much chemistry to break them up.
I dont care which way you slice it a player can only produce given his situation. Luongo could break the 50 win mark if he played in Det but his situation is Vancouver. On Dallas Richards will not be a PPG player.

He just got to Dallas, he got new linemates, give him a little time to get comfortable. 15 points in 18 playoff games is the sign of a possible PPG player. You guys are making it sound like his 91 points was a fluke that one year. He consistently improved.

What got me is the statement that \"Richards is done.\" I laughed out loud at that one.

I still think he is a good player, but I think he is done as far as an 80 point player.

[playmaker26]

Crazynuck wrote:

Depends on how you define done. He is young and still has a long career ahead of him. So in that sense his career is not done.
I do think he is done as a 90 pt player. I think he might reach the 80-85 range once or twice in his career if he is in the right situation but I see him as a 65-75 pt guy for the majority of his career.


side note: I was not the one that said he was done....so i;m not sure what context it was in.

I know you didn\'t say he was done. My apologies for wording it bad.

Dallas\' PP could be very dangerous meaning he\'ll get loads of points on there too. His linemates will be better then the ones he had in Tampa. The only real thing that could impact his production in a negative way is reduced icetime because Tampa played the shit out of their top guys. But you could say the opposite too because they could have been overtired.

[playmaker26]

Gaborlick wrote:

playmaker26 wrote:

Crazynuck wrote:

playmaker great convo btw

stats are what matter:
6 pts in 11 games if you exclude his 5 pt night is not the sign of a PPG player.

but lets also talk about his situation:
given Richards situation in Dallas he will be on the #2 line.
Morrow and Ribs showed too much chemistry to break them up.
I dont care which way you slice it a player can only produce given his situation. Luongo could break the 50 win mark if he played in Det but his situation is Vancouver. On Dallas Richards will not be a PPG player.

He just got to Dallas, he got new linemates, give him a little time to get comfortable. 15 points in 18 playoff games is the sign of a possible PPG player. You guys are making it sound like his 91 points was a fluke that one year. He consistently improved.

What got me is the statement that \"Richards is done.\" I laughed out loud at that one.

I still think he is a good player, but I think he is done as far as an 80 point player.

We\'ll see. We just have differing views. He\'s going to have better linemates, that\'s for sure.

[Gaborlick]

Really, stats matter in fantasy hockey? Come on man I\'m not dumb.

Prospal played with St. Louis and Lecavalier for most of the season. Yeah, Ouellet really fit in well in Tampa. He was brutal.

You\'re proving my point...Fedotenko, Afanasenkov, Alexeev are not very good at all. He played with them and still put up respectable numbers.

His situation in Dallas isn\'t the best for him but it\'s much better than Tampa Bay. Meaning he should improve. He\'ll still be 1st PP unit and that unit will be scary. Especially if he can play the point with Zubov. Richards is a lefty while Zubov is a righty so it could work.

I\'m not saying you\'re dumb.

I proved that playing with bad players doesn\'t make you bad, the players he WAS playing with, HE made better. I don\'t think he has the gusto to do that anymore. He is done as far as being a superstar, not an average 60-70 Point player.


oh yes. and Stamkos for Riberio is a great exchange. :lol:

Playermaker, I agree that Richards had shown consistent improvement over the years. but is now showing consistent not improvement ha. The fact that he did play on the powerplay with Vinny and St L, inflates his numbers a bit.

[Gaborlick]

playmaker26 wrote:

Gaborlick wrote:

btw: Last season
TAMPA:
1st Period
Tampa Bay 1:31, Vincent Lecavalier 13 (power play) (Martin St. Louis, Brad Richards)
Washington 12:46, Brooks Laich 3 (Shaone Morrisonn, Boyd Gordon)
Washington 13:30, Alexander Ovechkin 13 (Chris Clark, Nicklas Backstrom)
Tampa Bay 15:19, Jan Hlavac 3 (unassisted)
2nd Period
Tampa Bay 10:22, Brad Richards 7 (power play) (Vincent Lecavalier)
Tampa Bay 19:32, Paul Ranger 4 (Martin St. Louis)
3rd Period
Tampa Bay 19:36, Martin St. Louis 7 (empty net) (Brad Richards, Vincent Lecavalier)
-------------------------

Dallas
Chicago 4:08, Dustin Byfuglien 13 (power play) (Jason Williams)
Dallas 4:57, Niklas Hagman 23 (Brad Richards, Trevor Daley)
Dallas 9:58, Mike Modano 18 (unassisted)
2nd Period
Dallas 2:47, Niklas Hagman 24 (Antti Miettinen, Brad Richards)
Dallas 4:41, Loui Eriksson 12 (Brenden Morrow, Mike Ribeiro)
Dallas 6:34, Trevor Daley 3 (Brad Richards, Antti Miettinen)
3rd Period
Chicago 4:25, Rene Bourque 7 (shorthanded) (unassisted)
Dallas 5:55, Niklas Hagman 25 (Brad Richards, Philippe Boucher)
Chicago 9:20, Andrew Ladd 10 (Petri Kontiola, Jason Williams)
Dallas 16:49, Jere Lehtinen 12 (power play) (Brad Richards, Mike Modano)
Chicago 18:15, Rene Bourque 8 (shorthanded) (Craig Adams)
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Look at the difference in who he is playing with and who he is scoring with.

Yeah, look who he\'s playing with. He was scoring on the PP in Tampa in that game. Nice try.

That\'s too my point of his numbers being inflated by power play #\'s

[Crazynuck]

Tbay PP was better than Dallas PP will be. I would rather have the tbay PP listed below. Tbay had more pure goal scorers.

Vinny,St.Louis,Prospal,Richards,Boyle
07-08:19.3%(without Boyle)
06-07:18.4%
vs
Ribeiro,Morrow,Avery,Richards,Zubov 07-08:
18.1%(without Zubov)

[Gaborlick]

Crazynuck wrote:

Depends on how you define done. He is young and still has a long career ahead of him. So in that sense his career is not done.
I do think he is done as a 90 pt player. I think he might reach the 80-85 range once or twice in his career if he is in the right situation but I see him as a 65-75 pt guy for the majority of his career.


side note: I was not the one that said he was done....so i;m not sure what context it was in.

I\'m sure I covered this... my meaning was done as a \"superstar\" as in ppg and above.

[playmaker26]

Tampa\'s PP will suffer now and Dallas\' PP will now go up with him. Tampa\'s PP will suffer a lot though because they lost Boyle too.

[Gaborlick]

Crazynuck wrote:

Tbay PP was better than Dallas PP will be. I would rather have the tbay PP listed below. Tbay had more pure goal scorers.

Vinny,St.Louis,Prospal,Richards,Boyle
07-08:19.3%(without Boyle)
06-07:18.4%
vs
Ribeiro,Morrow,Avery,Richards,Zubov 07-08:
18.1%(without Zubov)

Confused, but didn\'t Boyle go to San Jose?

[playmaker26]

Gaborlick wrote:

Crazynuck wrote:

Tbay PP was better than Dallas PP will be. I would rather have the tbay PP listed below. Tbay had more pure goal scorers.

Vinny,St.Louis,Prospal,Richards,Boyle
07-08:19.3%(without Boyle)
06-07:18.4%
vs
Ribeiro,Morrow,Avery,Richards,Zubov 07-08:
18.1%(without Zubov)

Confused, but didn\'t Boyle go to San Jose?

Yeah, in the offseason. He was hurt most of the 07-08 season with the freak skate/wrist injury.

[Gaborlick]

playmaker26 wrote:

Gaborlick wrote:

Crazynuck wrote:

Tbay PP was better than Dallas PP will be. I would rather have the tbay PP listed below. Tbay had more pure goal scorers.

Vinny,St.Louis,Prospal,Richards,Boyle
07-08:19.3%(without Boyle)
06-07:18.4%
vs
Ribeiro,Morrow,Avery,Richards,Zubov 07-08:
18.1%(without Zubov)

Confused, but didn\'t Boyle go to San Jose?

Yeah, in the offseason. He was hurt most of the 07-08 season with the freak skate/wrist injury.

yea I know, the guys owner in my league dropped him immediately and someone high on the waiver wire got him.

[playmaker26]

Karma to you guys when I reload for the good discussion.

[Gaborlick]

playmaker26 wrote:

Karma to you guys when I reload for the good discussion.

karma to you for helping me get through this boring day at work.

[Crazynuck]

Gaborlick wrote:

Crazynuck wrote:

Tbay PP was better than Dallas PP will be. I would rather have the tbay PP listed below. Tbay had more pure goal scorers.

Vinny,St.Louis,Prospal,Richards,Boyle
07-08:19.3%(without Boyle)
06-07:18.4%
vs
Ribeiro,Morrow,Avery,Richards,Zubov 07-08:
18.1%(without Zubov)

Confused, but didn\'t Boyle go to San Jose?

I was comparing the PP that Richards had in the past in Tbay to the one he will have in Dallas this upcoming season.

Karma to both of you once I reload..... way to help speed up the work day