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    I'm fine with the Jays not chasing Soto. They didn't need to go that big. They got depth pieces where their competitors got improvements. If you're going to put pieces like Chapman and Gausman into your lineup, then compliment them with upgrades in in other areas too. It just feels like Atkins wasn't prepared to push his chips in and go for it, even though the offseason improvements say they are going for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobber View Post
    I heard he said he'll get the shot now.

    I think the Jays did well. They have an awesome team, just needed to solidify pitching and then cover off Springer. I think they achieved that and kept their organizational depth
    Really bizarre to make a trade for a guy if you're not sure he can play home games. This is the equivalent of trading for a guy with a nagging injury and not getting an updated physical.
    Also, not sure, does he need to have 2 shots, 6 weeks apart to be considered "vaccinated"?? Or perhaps since has has been traded, and presumably will be establishing residence in Toronto he can get a work visa?

    No idea, hopefully the Jays figured these details out before trading for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LawMan View Post
    Really bizarre to make a trade for a guy if you're not sure he can play home games. This is the equivalent of trading for a guy with a nagging injury and not getting an updated physical.
    Also, not sure, does he need to have 2 shots, 6 weeks apart to be considered "vaccinated"?? Or perhaps since has has been traded, and presumably will be establishing residence in Toronto he can get a work visa?

    No idea, hopefully the Jays figured these details out before trading for him.
    I believe the Sportsnet crew said he could get the J&J vaccine and be good after a 1.5-2 week period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2014olympicgold View Post

    I get not going nuts on Montas, Syndergaard or Skubal. Jays need a 4th/5th starter that just help reduce the strain on your 3 guys for the playoffs. Getting White could be an amazing piece, but he's unproven. That's a winter move to me to have more runway with him to see what he's about. The biggest whiff for me is not getting a strikeout reliever. The Jays could have easily gotten Soto, but it likely would have been centered around Bichette and that's a huge move mid season and could mess the locker room up. They also didn't have anyone behind Bichette really in terms of depth. If Bichette is moved for Soto it would be a winter move to me. More time to figure out your lineup with the OF they have too.

    Atkins/Shapiro whiffed on the real need (K RPers). Then panic traded for Merrifield for CF/INF depth last minute. My fear is Judge at the plate in the 8th inning with Bass/Pop/Cimber at the plate in a do-or-die playoff game in New York.
    I don't feel like the Yankees went nuts for Montas though. He's like a top 20 SP. Castillo was VERY expensive so that I get. But did the Yanks even lose a top 5 prospect?

    As for Whit. RH bat who is on the decline. I don't understand it. I felt like there were so many players available and either they whiffed or just didn't offer enough. Sure the Jays are better, but most teams around them made more improvements. Minnesota gets Lopez AND Fulmer. Yanks are better. Mariners are better. It was frustrating to watch.

    At least we get a $300 million balcony?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Call of Doughty View Post
    I believe the Sportsnet crew said he could get the J&J vaccine and be good after a 1.5-2 week period.
    You need 14 days post "final shot" to be eligible. So if he got the J&J one yesterday, he's eligible for August 17th. But if he decides to get the Moderna/Pfizer shot, he needs to wait 14 days post 2nd shot. Which I think you need 10 days between the shots, so 3-4weeks.

    Here's Toronto's schedule:
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    @Baltimore August 8-10 (3)
    vs Cleveland August 12-14 (3)
    vs Baltimore August 15-17 (3)
    @ New York August 18-21 (4)
    @ Boston August 23-25 (3)
    vs LAA August 26-28 (3)

    It doesn't really matter which one he does end up getting I think. If he gets J&J, he can play max 1-2 games vs Baltimore August 16/17 if he got his vaccination on deadline day. If it's 10days between 1st and 2nd Pfizer shots, he's then back for that August 26-28 series vs LAA. He's addressing the media today today about his vaccination status, and the way the Jays were addressing it very cautiously in the media, I wonder if legally (HIPAA?) they could say anything other than "it's up to him"
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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyrobot View Post
    I don't feel like the Yankees went nuts for Montas though. He's like a top 20 SP. Castillo was VERY expensive so that I get. But did the Yanks even lose a top 5 prospect?

    As for Whit. RH bat who is on the decline. I don't understand it. I felt like there were so many players available and either they whiffed or just didn't offer enough. Sure the Jays are better, but most teams around them made more improvements. Minnesota gets Lopez AND Fulmer. Yanks are better. Mariners are better. It was frustrating to watch.

    At least we get a $300 million balcony?
    Exactly where my head is too. I'd rather have overpaid a bit for Ian Happ than paying for Merrifield.

    And the way I understand it, Merrifield has to be fully vaccinated before he can play in Canada, meaning two shots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    Exactly where my head is too. I'd rather have overpaid a bit for Ian Happ than paying for Merrifield.

    And the way I understand it, Merrifield has to be fully vaccinated before he can play in Canada, meaning two shots.
    Or 1 shot of the J&J.

    I wonder if the Cubs weren't willing to move Happ and Contrease(?) unless it was insane overpayment. It's not like the Jays missed him, the Cubs didn't even move either. They might have just wanted to keep him around for 'the feels'

    I'm not in agreement of the Merrifield deal, but since May 1st, he's hit 0.266/0.316/0.397 (0.663OPS) and since July 1st 0.284/0.341/0.506 (0.790OPS) and he's been doing it playing in Kansas City (huge ballpark). I'm open to it, but again I think it was a panic move once they couldn't get Happ.
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    What a headache this whole Merrifield situation is.

    Was it really worth it?

    Hoping he turns into the Whit from a couple years past!
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    I do like that he's only $2.75 million next year. But ya... What does that matter if he can't play at home haha.

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    Can't wait to watch Fulmer and Lopez shut down the Jays tonight.

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    Woohoo Teoscar!!!

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    So I'm sure people heard this but, Merrifield said he got vaccinated prior to the trade deadline and will be in Toronto their next homestand which would be August 12th vs Boston. Which would have him vaccinated with the J&J vaccine sometime last week (July 24-30)

    So Jays knew he was vaccinated without "knowing". There's legal issues wrapped around vaccinations and jobs in the USA and I'm sure there was a tight line they were walking trying to avoid saying "we acquired him knowing he's vaccinated". Which could push the MLBPA to saying, "did you just not give someone who's unvaccinated a chance? You can't do that"
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