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    Quote Originally Posted by bondon View Post
    I heard that the projected #2 overall pick was still available at 12. Why weren't teams taking him?
    Cole Winn? He was projected anywhere from 2-20. He's a highschooler with a FB/Slider and developing a changeup. Very volatile I guess.

    Seems like offensive players are being drafted higher than pitchers now (might be because teams Pitching depth is so large now) so he fell based on not being a for sure pitcher like the No1 guy. He's committed to a University, but it's unlikely he goes to school and gives up the $3.5mill he'd get if he signed, but he could go to school and leave the Rangers with a wasted 9th overall pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bondon View Post
    I heard that the projected #2 overall pick was still available at 12. Why weren't teams taking him?
    he went at #18 to KC. Looking at the 1st round, it was a wild one. #36 ranked goes at #9 -- #4 at 16; #46 at 23. It really is just all over the map.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucafen4 View Post
    he went at #18 to KC. Looking at the 1st round, it was a wild one. #36 ranked goes at #9 -- #4 at 16; #46 at 23. It really is just all over the map.

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    Singer was drafted by the Jays in 2015 56th overall and didn't sign. Prolly played into their decision onto not drafting him again at 12.

    Also, because of how well he can locate his pitches, teams wondered if this is as good as he can get. So his ceiling to a lot of teams was low. Odd to think because he's so advanced he has a low ceiling, but apparently his control can't get better, and he's topped out at 93-95mph on the FB so he's not a flame thrower.
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    LW: Hall, Couture (C), Parise
    RW: Marner (C), Tarasenko
    D: Karlsson, Dumba, Hamilton, Barrie, Dermott
    G: Andersen, Dubnyk, Peterson,
    IR: Stastny (C), Murray (G)
    IR+: Raanta
    NA: Hart (G)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2014olympicgold View Post
    Singer was drafted by the Jays in 2015 56th overall and didn't sign. Prolly played into their decision onto not drafting him again at 12.

    Also, because of how well he can locate his pitches, teams wondered if this is as good as he can get. So his ceiling to a lot of teams was low. Odd to think because he's so advanced he has a low ceiling, but apparently his control can't get better, and he's topped out at 93-95mph on the FB so he's not a flame thrower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucafen4 View Post
    Tom Glavine - drops mic
    Derek McGuire - Drops mic?
    Hayden Simpson - Drops mic?
    Alex Wimmers - Drop mic?
    Matt Hobgood - Drops mic?

    I don't know what you're getting at. I'm just saying what I have read. Teams went heavy pitching the last few yrs, now their cupboards have pitching so they're looking for hitting. This guy developed and supposedly maxed out his development on pitch location, and he's not a flamerthrower. So teams were looking and prolly determined he's hit his ceiling (to a point obviously) and expect him to be a middle to back of the rotation starter. But if he somehow develops more, he can be an ace, which was why some had him at No2. But obviously teams didn't see him as a No2.

    Royals could have gotten a steal, or a journey man that could very well not even make their MLB team. I'm just regurgitating what I have read on him.
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    C: Eichel, Petterson, Dubois (LW)
    LW: Hall, Couture (C), Parise
    RW: Marner (C), Tarasenko
    D: Karlsson, Dumba, Hamilton, Barrie, Dermott
    G: Andersen, Dubnyk, Peterson,
    IR: Stastny (C), Murray (G)
    IR+: Raanta
    NA: Hart (G)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2014olympicgold View Post
    Derek McGuire - Drops mic?
    Hayden Simpson - Drops mic?
    Alex Wimmers - Drop mic?
    Matt Hobgood - Drops mic?

    I don't know what you're getting at. I'm just saying what I have read. Teams went heavy pitching the last few yrs, now their cupboards have pitching so they're looking for hitting. This guy developed and supposedly maxed out his development on pitch location, and he's not a flamerthrower. So teams were looking and prolly determined he's hit his ceiling (to a point obviously) and expect him to be a middle to back of the rotation starter. But if he somehow develops more, he can be an ace, which was why some had him at No2. But obviously teams didn't see him as a No2.

    Royals could have gotten a steal, or a journey man that could very well not even make their MLB team. I'm just regurgitating what I have read on him.
    Glavine threw 89 on a good day in his prime... 93-95 isn't softballs either. No he's not 98/99, but 95. With elite control? Maybe I'm just too far removed, out of the loop in baseball to get 4mph being such a mammoth deal. There's just as long a list of flame throwers blowing arms or not being able to control their fastball as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucafen4 View Post
    Glavine threw 89 on a good day in his prime... 93-95 isn't softballs either. No he's not 98/99, but 95. With elite control? Maybe I'm just too far removed, out of the loop in baseball to get 4mph being such a mammoth deal. There's just as long a list of flame throwers blowing arms or not being able to control their fastball as well.
    That was also a very different era. 93pmh is below average now, and 95 isn't getting past anyone anymore without movement. Big negative on highschool pitchers is they're doing this against highschool hitters. So, who knows.

    Also I know I've said Winn and Singer already, but apparently it was actually Liberatore who's the guy who fell the most. Winn was a "He could go high, or low" (no one could pick where he'd land), Singer was a "He won't make it out of the top 10", but this Liberatore was a "Yeah, only 5 teams need to interview him cause he won't fall past No5". Reading on him...sounds like his only knock is he's in highschool. Which is pretty big when you have $4mill on the line I guess if he flames out.

    Here's an article on Liberatore from fangraphs and says he'll go from 3-7 pick, but he was in other circles a No2 pick. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/a-gl...s-draft-stock/ This draft was all over the place it seems.
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    LW: Hall, Couture (C), Parise
    RW: Marner (C), Tarasenko
    D: Karlsson, Dumba, Hamilton, Barrie, Dermott
    G: Andersen, Dubnyk, Peterson,
    IR: Stastny (C), Murray (G)
    IR+: Raanta
    NA: Hart (G)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucafen4 View Post
    he went at #18 to KC. Looking at the 1st round, it was a wild one. #36 ranked goes at #9 -- #4 at 16; #46 at 23. It really is just all over the map.

    40 ROUNDS this draft is.
    I had no idea baseball drafts were so unpredictable. Figured they were like hockey drafts where you might have one or two shockers in the first round at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blayze View Post
    I had no idea baseball drafts were so unpredictable. Figured they were like hockey drafts where you might have one or two shockers in the first round at best.
    And to think the current system is LESS complicated than it was before the current CBA. Plus, if you're worried this one is too simple, just wait til December and try to figure out the Rule 5 Draft! It just makes it impossible to get all the different scouting departments to find consensus on players.

    Seriously though, the draft(s) in baseball are super complicated, but they're entirely necessary quirks due to the way the MLB minor league system works; especially considering there are 256 Minor League Baseball teams, split between just a silly number of regional leagues at varying levels of competition, so clearly there are just going to be more players drafted, if only to fill up the rosters. Just as a start, for the NHL you've got affiliate minor league teams at two levels: the AHL and the ECHL. There are other leagues with ties to NHL clubs, but those two leagues are the only ones with specific ties in the CBA. In the Minors for baseball, there is (in descending order of competitiveness): Triple-A, Double-A, Class-A Advanced, Class-A, Shortened Season Class-A, Shortened Season Advanced Rookie, and Rookie. Honestly, it feels like it's complicated enough that there should be a six-week course to understand it properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingolo View Post
    And to think the current system is LESS complicated than it was before the current CBA. Plus, if you're worried this one is too simple, just wait til December and try to figure out the Rule 5 Draft! It just makes it impossible to get all the different scouting departments to find consensus on players.

    Seriously though, the draft(s) in baseball are super complicated, but they're entirely necessary quirks due to the way the MLB minor league system works; especially considering there are 256 Minor League Baseball teams, split between just a silly number of regional leagues at varying levels of competition, so clearly there are just going to be more players drafted, if only to fill up the rosters. Just as a start, for the NHL you've got affiliate minor league teams at two levels: the AHL and the ECHL. There are other leagues with ties to NHL clubs, but those two leagues are the only ones with specific ties in the CBA. In the Minors for baseball, there is (in descending order of competitiveness): Triple-A, Double-A, Class-A Advanced, Class-A, Shortened Season Class-A, Shortened Season Advanced Rookie, and Rookie. Honestly, it feels like it's complicated enough that there should be a six-week course to understand it properly.
    not to mention the games teams will play to decrease signing money - which also forces players to drop or rise.
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    @Ingolo, and to make things even more complicated, there's highschool, 1yr, 2yr, 3yr, and 4yr college students to take into account when drafting.

    It's the reasons why Trout goes at like No25 (LAA drafted 24th and 25th. Grichuk was No24. They liked Grichuk more than Trout...), and guys like DeGrom at like 272, or Aaron judge in the 31st round No935th to the A's (did not sign), or Kris Bryant 18th round No546th to the Jays (did not sign), or in 2010 Golden Tate (yes the NFL player) drafted in the 50th round, No1,518th to the SFG (and he was drafted in '07 in the 34th round No1,050th by the Yankees)
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    C: Eichel, Petterson, Dubois (LW)
    LW: Hall, Couture (C), Parise
    RW: Marner (C), Tarasenko
    D: Karlsson, Dumba, Hamilton, Barrie, Dermott
    G: Andersen, Dubnyk, Peterson,
    IR: Stastny (C), Murray (G)
    IR+: Raanta
    NA: Hart (G)

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    This creates a whole new thread topic, but baseball prospects seem to hold too much power - being able to determine (to an extent) where they play from day one
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    The list of players that went in the Rule 5 draft is crazy, too. Clemente, Bautista, George Bell, Gruber. Shoot, Josh Hamilton went TWICE in the Rule 5. Luca's spot on, baseball draftees have crazy power compared to other sports.
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    Russell Martin COULDNT get down in front of those pitches from Axford last night. I was getting so pissed off, like GO DOWN ON YOUR KNEES AND BLOCK IT! You're a vet, you literally have no excuse after the 1st "wild pitch".

    Biagini, oh lord. Remember when he was good? I saw his 1 curveball and was thinking, "Damn that was good, but there's 0 horizontal movement on it and if you time it up it's gone" and then it was gone.
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    LW: Hall, Couture (C), Parise
    RW: Marner (C), Tarasenko
    D: Karlsson, Dumba, Hamilton, Barrie, Dermott
    G: Andersen, Dubnyk, Peterson,
    IR: Stastny (C), Murray (G)
    IR+: Raanta
    NA: Hart (G)

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    Kelly Gruber gets uninvited from Canadian Baseball HOF festivities for being a bit of a wanker. I am not sure if he was just drunk or what but click on this link to watch his awkward interview that led to the uninvite.

    https://twitter.com/kriskush1/status...43471216930816

    If you dont have twitter, you can also see the video and read more about it here:

    https://deadspin.com/former-blue-jay...n-b-1826890312


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