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    I had an interesting discussion with a buddy. Essentially he wants me to deal Malkin for Hall +. The rationale being that I'm in a rebuild and Hall resets the clock 5 or so years.

    It raises an interesting question for anyone with Malkin. Do you ride off into the sunset (33 or 34) before dealing him, or try to get a Hall, MacKinnon, Tavares type over the next year.
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    the + is the important part here imo

    i would likely move him for any of those players with the right + if i were rebuilding

    hell i would likely move him for any of those players with the right + if i were competing
     
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    The key is getting a potential elite included as one of the + players. Otherwise you may as we'll ride it out with him.
    I dealt Malkin this season in December along with Johansen and Scheifele for Seguin, MacKinnon, and Zibanejad. It had to be both for me to do the deal. I wouldn't have done it for only one of them and a lesser player.

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    yeah one of those guys might do it. im on the other side have mackinnon could get malkin for him

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    I'd at least wait until after this next year as I'm hoping it's the non hurt year kinda following the pattern he seems to be in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plug View Post
    I'd at least wait until after this next year as I'm hoping it's the non hurt year kinda following the pattern he seems to be in.
    be careful with counting on that

    this past season was the healthy productive year for Gaborik following his career pattern

    that totally didn't work out
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer316 View Post
    be careful with counting on that

    this past season was the healthy productive year for Gaborik following his career pattern

    that totally didn't work out
    I know, I just don't see Malkins value decreasing with a similar year to this one... And if he did go off, well that plus could really be good. At least that's my thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plug View Post
    I know, I just don't see Malkins value decreasing with a similar year to this one... And if he did go off, well that plus could really be good. At least that's my thought.
    if you don't get a deal you want you hold him it is that easy imo

    but one thing to keep in mind regarding his value is that personally i don't think it will change all that much even if he has a healthy year with ppg similar to this past season depending on who you are dealing with

    those looking for bargain basement deals are never going to give you what you want anyway

    but those who are seriously looking to acquire him realize that paying value for him is ok because rather than being untouchable Malkin is available and he might not be available again so they are willing to move as a result

    those same GMs likely realize that if you make him available after a healthy season that you are trying to dupe them by selling high and are less likely to want to pay proper value for him because they feel you are trying to cheat them

    the same exact deal for these players can look very different based on the perception of why you are moving him

    just some food for thought anyway, a lot of trading is mind ****
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer316 View Post
    the + is the important part here imo

    i would likely move him for any of those players with the right + if i were rebuilding

    hell i would likely move him for any of those players with the right + if i were competing
    We haven't gotten into specifics but I'm guessing it would be Hall + Eric Staal + a 1st round pick

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    Quote Originally Posted by slufoot View Post
    The key is getting a potential elite included as one of the + players. Otherwise you may as we'll ride it out with him.
    I dealt Malkin this season in December along with Johansen and Scheifele for Seguin, MacKinnon, and Zibanejad. It had to be both for me to do the deal. I wouldn't have done it for only one of them and a lesser player.
    Agreed. I like the value you got there. It can't be for one elite guy (otherwise Malkin is the superior asset and I ultimately lose the deal). Odds are Malkin stays put

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmlcupchamps View Post
    yeah one of those guys might do it. im on the other side have mackinnon could get malkin for him
    If you can make that trade I would go for it. Malkin is only turning 28, could be plenty of elite seasons left
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer316 View Post
    if you don't get a deal you want you hold him it is that easy imo

    but one thing to keep in mind regarding his value is that personally i don't think it will change all that much even if he has a healthy year with ppg similar to this past season depending on who you are dealing with

    those looking for bargain basement deals are never going to give you what you want anyway

    but those who are seriously looking to acquire him realize that paying value for him is ok because rather than being untouchable Malkin is available and he might not be available again so they are willing to move as a result

    those same GMs likely realize that if you make him available after a healthy season that you are trying to dupe them by selling high and are less likely to want to pay proper value for him because they feel you are trying to cheat them

    the same exact deal for these players can look very different based on the perception of why you are moving him

    just some food for thought anyway, a lot of trading is mind ****
    I like to trade "medium". Not when a guy is struggling nor when he is producing career best numbers. It's a more honest negotiation with the other GM and generally results in more deals getting done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren_Kennedy View Post
    I like to trade "medium". Not when a guy is struggling nor when he is producing career best numbers. It's a more honest negotiation with the other GM and generally results in more deals getting done.
    sometimes i like an honest negotiation but it is a rare GM out there that you can find that wants to engage in one with you

    so unfortunately most times you have to engage in duplicitous practices in order to get a player you really want, or to dump a player you really feel the need to get rid of
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer316 View Post
    sometimes i like an honest negotiation but it is a rare GM out there that you can find that wants to engage in one with you

    so unfortunately most times you have to engage in duplicitous practices in order to get a player you really want, or to dump a player you really feel the need to get rid of
    Definitely agree. I have a group of 3 or 4 GMs that I always try to work with first, then if I have to, start to look at the outer guys
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    You could put out the word Malkin is available to see what bites you get. If you are rebuilding then those are the type of players you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magicstew View Post
    You could put out the word Malkin is available to see what bites you get. If you are rebuilding then those are the type of players you want.
    My problem is we only keep 4 forwards and my guys are Malkin, Skinner, E.Kane and Yakupov. So if I deal Malkin it has to be for 2 guys, 1 of which is a significant upgrade over the forwards I already have. Hard to see that deal out there.
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    A 1st round in a keep four is a pritty good pick but still Malkin in a keep 4 is pritty good as well. So basically if he throws in E.Staal and 1st your looking at going into next year with this squad.

    Hall,E.Staal,Skinner,E.Kane vs Malkin,Skinner,Ekane,Yakupov... the 1st is the big thing here as it should bring you some decent vaule in a keep 4

    I don't mind the trade to tell you the truth, I think Staal should be back to 70 next year, and I think you at least get 70 from Hall with potential for far more, then the extra 1st round can really sweeten it
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