Mid-Tier Goalie Rankings (rep)

[DusterDave]

Help me decide which goalie to target from the following list. Rank them for me please. Will rep.

Points as follows...
Win - 5
Shutout - 3
Starts - 2
Saves - .1
Goals Against - (-1)

My rankings...
Dubnyk
Rask
Jones
Talbot
Gibson
Rinne

I have Gibson pretty low but he is injury prone so I'd like to avoid him. Convince me that my rankings are wrong.

[Moses]

You have Rinne at the bottom of the mid-tier? Say wha-what?

EDIT: I guess, sure, if this a dynasty league. Is this a dynasty league? I was looking at Rinne through the perspective of the team more than the goalie. Rinne is the work horse starting goalie, for the best team (of the goalies listed), who had the most SO in the league last year. If we look through the perspective of the goalie, Rinne just won the Vezina Trophey as the league's best goalie. I can't see how he can be ranked as the bottom goalie of the mid-tier.

You did say, "Convince me that my rankings are wrong."

[pmorrow]

Help me decide which goalie to target from the following list. Rank them for me please. Will rep.

Points as follows...
Win - 5
Shutout - 3
Starts - 2
Saves - .1
Goals Against - (-1)

My rankings...
Dubnyk
Rask
Jones
Talbot
Gibson
Rinne

I have Gibson pretty low but he is injury prone so I'd like to avoid him. Convince me that my rankings are wrong.

Which league is this for?

Thats a tough list to rank...I don't know how to order them yet, but I would have Talbot pretty near the bottom and Rask pretty near the top...other than that it's a mish mash. I don't know how I feel about Rinne this year.

One thing I'll add is that despite Gibson's injury history, he has a huge advantage because the Ducks play off nights more than any other team. That could mean a lot more starts, depending on your league settings.

[Bstbullies]

Dubby
Rask
Rinne
Gibson
Talbot
Jones

in other words

Voodoo
Voodoo
Voodoo
Voodoo
Voodoo
Voodoo

[FantasyKing]

Rinne
Rask
Gibson
Dubby
Jones
Talbot

would be ranking going into next season

[saucelife90]

Rinne
Rask
Dubby
Jones
Gibson
Talbot

[stevegamer]

Looks like league 2, which is heavy keeper, near dynasty, keeping 16 of 22. Given that, and that we really have no clue what these fairly similar guys are going
to do in the next year, due to variance, I will rank them for what I think is rest of career value, with some tweaks for possible trade value.

I think they are roughly similar, although I think Gibson will get the least starts next year. Talbot's starts should be down from the past two years as well.
Jones - Solid goalie, second youngest, and most likely to retain good value if you need to trade him for a while.
Gibson - Youngest, but has injury issues. Really good rate stats. I wouldn't have him near the bottom, even with the injury stuff.
Rask/Dubnyk - Solid, steady, boring.
Rinne - oldest, but fresh off a Vezina win. only 1 year left on contract, but if he wants to play after this year, he should be able to get a contract.
Talbot - old, has only 1 year left on contract. Was one of the worst starters in the NHL, so needs a good year or his value is nothing.

[DusterDave]

I?m sorry, should have mentioned it?s only for one year. Not for second league in my signature, just the same scoring. Also, it is a one goalie league so I want the guy who is going to get the most starts. All things considered, I think my best bet would be either Rask or Dubnyk. I can see Halak getting more starts than Stalock though so I'm leaning Dubnyk.

So now it becomes Dubnyk vs. Rask. Who do you take?

[finnys_fanatsy]

Rask

[saucelife90]

Rask

[DusterDave]

You guys think Rask will earn more starts than Dubnyk?

Last season Rask started 54 games while Dubnyk started 60.

[BranDOOM]

Dubby will start more than Rask. He's very reliable.

[mounD]

Help me decide which goalie to target from the following list. Rank them for me please. Will rep.

Points as follows...
Win - 5
Shutout - 3
Starts - 2
Saves - .1
Goals Against - (-1)

My rankings...
Dubnyk
Rask
Jones
Talbot
Gibson
Rinne

I have Gibson pretty low but he is injury prone so I'd like to avoid him. Convince me that my rankings are wrong.

Goalies are totally voodoo. That said, here's my crack at the rankings for a dynasty league (assuming you are at least semi-competitive):

Gibson
Dubnyk
Rask
Rinne
Talbot
Jones

In a one-year league, I would rank them:

Gibson (Band-Aid)
Dubnyk
Rinne
Rask
Talbot
Jones

I feel like Rask is pretty well over-hyped. If you look at his "under the hood" statistics like Goals Saved Above Average (GSAA) and Delta Sv% (difference between Actual and Expected Sv%), his results haven't been all that good compared to league average goaltending over the span of his career as a starter. Certainly nowhere near the prolific production (when healthy) of a guy like John Gibson. Combine this with the fact that they've got a very capable backup goalie in Jaroslav Halak whose underlying statistics have been pretty great over the same timeframe. I have a sneaking feeling that Halak is going to be stealing more starts than most people would initially imagine. Boston is a very strong team, and whoever is getting the starts should do well for themselves; however, I just don't think Rask is going to compare favorably to other "workhorse" types like Dubnyk, and he only gets my vote ahead of Talbot and Jones by virtue of the quality of the teams in front of them. Rinne has been up and down throughout his career, but he is coming off a very strong season (albeit followed by an atrocious playoff showing), and he's on an incredibly strong team that should be at the top of the Western conference yet again. I guess I just have a hunch that Saros won't be stealing quite as many starts as Halak in Boston. Bold prediction, I know.

I am from Pittsburgh, and I do have somewhat of a bias toward John Gibson as he represents a "local boy makes good" type of story, but his underlying numbers are absolutely incredible. His GSAA and Delta Sv% were just amazing last season, and he was probably the single most important reason why Anaheim was a solid team, despite the significant injury issues they dealt with as a team. He is hands-down the most talented goaltender on this list, and really his health is the only concern going forward. I'm willing to bet on him. Dubnyk is probably the safer play, as he's produced reasonably good numbers for many consecutive seasons in Minny, but Gibson is the definite upside play here.

Talbot is a real bounce-back candidate, but the team in front of him lacks depth up front and especially on the blueline. Based on the current roster, Matt Benning is a top-four Dman. That's ... not good. He may be one of the more talented goaltenders on this list, but he just doesn't have the consistency around him that is so necessary for a good goaltending season. Add the fact that Koskinen was brought in to ease his workload (and perhaps even steal starts, or dare I say take over the #1 job?), so this situation could really go either way. He's on the last year of his contract, and should be very motivated on a team that boasts some elite scoring options. Winning 7-6 hockey games may be great in real life, but in fantasy hockey that's going to hurt you.

Jones just isn't that good. He's buoyed by having a very large contract, and he plays on a quality team. Honestly, those factors alone make me want to place him above Talbot in one-year formats, I just couldn't do it because he's decidedly mediocre. I feel like Dell would be getting a hell of a lot more work if only Jones wasn't locked down on a major albatross contract. I get the feeling they may have no choice but to turn to Dell if they are fighting for a playoff spot down the stretch.

[FFleming5]

For a 1 year I can?t see how Rinne is not at the top of this list

[mounD]

For a 1 year I can?t see how Rinne is not at the top of this list

It's probably because he's old, has been basically average for the overwhelming majority of his career, he is coming off an atrocious showing in the playoffs, and he has a potentially elite backup fighting him for starts.