Coyle vs Krieder

[robmyatt]

Who do you see being the better option for team in my sig in the next 2-3 years.

[TheCamelToews]

Dont know if I am in the minority here, but I actually prefer Coyle. I think he was a "late bloomer" in the sense where he just seemed to click as soon as he stepped into the QMJHL. I don't know if that had anything to do with his linemates and a strong SeaDogs team, but he scored 34 points in 17 games on an unfamiliar team.

I'd take the chance on Coyle, not stuck behind so many Rangers

[TheCamelToews]

I would love to hear other peoples feedback to see if I am right or not though!

[SoCalRob]

I tend to agree on Coyle...he got called up and is apparently supposed to play on the top line tomorrow, which means they think highly of him. The Wild have a lot of young guys, and will have spots in their lineup to fill.

With the addition of Nash, there really isn't a spot in the top 6 for Kreider...couple that with the fact he's in and out of Tortarella's doghouse regularly, I'd go with Coyle. I really only see Kreider breaking out if he is traded. He's stuck behind too many good players in NY.

[ross10019]

I think both will have a similar impact over the next 2-3 years, and how much impact will depend in part on their performance, and in part on events around them (injuries, primarily).

In terms of high end scoring talent, I think Coyle has a higher ceiling, Kreider will probably be more of a low 70s guy.

Kreider seems like a safer bet for short term production, but really both can be sent down at any moment. Coyle has had more recent success, at least in terms of not "regressing" -Kreider was great in the playoffs last year, but has done very little in the AHL during the lockout, and many feel he's regressed.

My feeling, assuming they both stay up (big assumption) is both will score in the high 40s pace this year (i.e., better than a half pt per game) and then have a chance to start hitting the high 50s starting next year. But after that you'll start seeing separation with Coyle starting to reach higher levels that Kreider would have a hard time getting to.

If I had to draft right now in a keeper league, I'd take Coyle.

[DerekReese]

Coyle here for me.

[bigbabybuda]

Coyle for me as well. I could have grabbed either in my Sig pool and I choose Coyle.

[Fast Tony DeNiro]

Originally Posted by ross10019

I think both will have a similar impact over the next 2-3 years, and how much impact will depend in part on their performance, and in part on events around them (injuries, primarily).

In terms of high end scoring talent, I think Coyle has a higher ceiling, Kreider will probably be more of a low 70s guy.

I've always seen it as the exact opposite actually....Kreider has a sky-high ceiling, I doubt he ever gets there but he's 6'3" 230 pounds and has speed to burn. If he can ever put his tools together he can be a superstar. He's a little lacking in hockey sense which will always hold him back, but sometimes those "all the tools no toolbox" players find a way to put it all together. I'm trying to think of a player with his skill-set and I'm blanking....Ovechkin I suppose is the best comparison, not that Kreider will ever score 65 goals but that's close to how he plays.

On the other hand, I see Coyle as the safer pick. I almost guarantee he will score 60 points eventually, with upside to 80-ish I would think. But I just don't see his absolute ceiling anywhere near Kreider's.

I would be keeping Kreider for now. Maybe he crashes and burns, yes he hasn't had the most amazing season so far in the AHL but he has points in both games since coming back from his injury, and has started seeing PP time.

[dongjohnson]

I think FatTony is spot on with his post. Kreider has a higher ceiling but is more of a risk because he has lower hockey IQ. I compare him to a less skilled Matt Duchene. Coyle, on the other hand, is not quite as physically gifted but appears to find a way to succeed.

[ross10019]

Very very interesting discussion here, great input. Maybe with the Coyle ceiling point i'm relying a little too much on what he has done since he came to the Q, whch suggests not a 60-70 pt player but a high scoring power forward more in the 75-90 pt vein. It But just seems from the most recent evidence that he has very high upside.

But I wouldn't want anyone to think I was down on Kreider, despite his recent struggles, I think he's a lock to be a very productive NHLer and could turn into an 80+ pt guy. Let's put it this way, I cringed when we (Habs) picked Leblanc just before the Rangers picked Kreider in that draft, not because Leblanc isn't a solid prospect but simply because I knew that picking Kreider would have been an easy decision, were the drafting not being held in Mtl and with Leblanc having impressed so much during the prior year.

Will be interesting to see what happens. I stand by my preference of Coyle over Kreider in a keeper league, at this time, but I certainly may be proven wrong, both are surefire NHLers and will likely be high impact players over the span of their respective careers.