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02-06-2013, 10:28 PM
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J. Staal or Yakupov
Which do you prefer for the next 3 years - J. Staal or Yakupov?
Scoring cats are G, A, +/-, PIM, Hits Currently have the offer for my Yakupov, though his cieling is higher, not sure he will out produce over the next 3 years which would most likely be my keeper window for these two.
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13 Team Keeper - Hold 7 (1 G max) Scoring Cats: G,A,+/-,PIM,Hits,W,GAA,SV%,OTL Start 9F,5D,2G F:Perry,M.Richards,RNH,Thornton,Hossa,Kovalchuk,Pa cioretty,Oshie,Yakupov,Kesler, Huberdeau,Hanzal,M.Foligno D: Letang,Yandle,Bogosian,Burns,Hedman,Ellis,L.Schenn G: Fleury,Schneider 
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02-06-2013, 11:54 PM
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I can't see why you don't take Yakupov here. He won't be too far behind Staal even this year, and both his upside and trade value are way higher.
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10-team Keeper. Everyone keeps 12 (last season - Bold) + 3 (players with less than 164 NHL games played -last season - Bold Italics). Points for G (2), A (2), PIM (.1), Hit (.1) SHP(1), W(4), SO(8) Must dress 4C, 4LW, 4RW, 6D, 1G C - E. Staal, Tavares , Bergeron, Turris, Zibanejad, Granlund LW - Kovalchuk, E. Kane, Pacioretty, Zetterberg Filpulla, Latendresse RW - Iginla,Wheeler, Pominville, Tarasenko, Doan, Silfverberg D - Karlsson, Phaneuf, Edler, Green, Kronwall, Pitkanen, Keith, Burns G - Rinne, Schneider My all time favourites: 
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02-07-2013, 12:29 AM
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I don't get the love affair with J.Staal. He was a 3rd liner in pit...and he's a 2nd liner in Car.
Guys...when will people finally admit...Eric...to date...is the only staal worth owning in fantasy? Incase you couldn't tell...not a fan. Let me requalify...I speak in fantasy terms only. Yakupov.... AND its not even close...this year...next... AND take this as long as you want.
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Team: C - Tavares, Getzlaf, Ribeiro, (C/R) L - Hall, Semin, Macdonald(C/L), Healtey(L/R), R - Perry, Yakupov, Voracek, Voracek, Williams, Boyes D - Streit, OEL, Edler, Karlsson, B. Smith, Beauchemin, Seidenberg G - Rinne, Bryzgalov, Anderson, Bernier, Vokoun 10 Team Keeper league with Yahoo Roster (14 Kept Players): C, C, LW, LW, RW, RW, D, D, D, D, Util, Util, G, G, (Weighted Category Points: see below). Skaters - (Points: G a/o A) 6 (+/-) 3 (PIM) 1 (PPP) 5 (GWG) 5 Goaltenders (W) 15 (GA) -10 (SV) 1 (SHO) 15
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02-07-2013, 03:26 AM
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For this year J. Staal, but in a keeper I would side with Yakupov, as he has a much great potential for points, and I would expect him to start scoring at a better clip than Staal as soon as next season. Even though all that has been said, J. Staal is very much a relevant player in fantasy and worth owning; Staal just isn't better than Yakupov in a keeper.
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02-07-2013, 03:40 AM
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Does the 2nd liner argument you made for Staal clearly in order to diminish his value and potential apply to Yakupov too? Just curious... Don't get me wrong, I'd take Yakupov over Staal too but Staal certainly is fantasy worthy in all leagues now that he finally has the chance to live up to his offensive potential in Carolina as he's no longer behind the two best centers in the world. So far he's off to a good start with the Hurricanes and will be a great player for them for years to come - as well as for all fantasy teams that have him.
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UHL Pittsburgh Penguins 24 Team Fantrax Salary Cap H2H Dynasty League Daily G, A, +/-, PIM, PPP, SHP, GWG, SOG, Hits, Blks, FOW W, GAA, SV, SV%, SO 23 Man Roster - 3C, 3LW, 3RW, 3F, 6D, 1G, 4BN, 4IR 27 Man Minor Team C- Tavares, Stepan, Hodgson, Shaw, Bjugstad LW- Ryan, Perron, Downie, Killorn, Rinaldo RW- Wheeler, Simmonds, Coyle, Frattin, Boyes D- Pietrangelo, JJ, Bogosian, EJ, Josi, Cowen, Muzzin G- Lehtonen F: Granlund, Silfverberg, Jensen, Dalpe, Bowman, Knight, Fasth, JAM D: Beaulieu, Koekkoek, Gelinas, Pysyk, McCabe, Irwin G: Nilsson, Nilstorp, Ramo, Berra, Brossoit, Gibson Last edited by Carcillo; 02-07-2013 at 03:42 AM.
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02-07-2013, 06:58 AM
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02-07-2013, 07:26 AM
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id take yakupov.
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10 team Keeper Roto League 4C-4LW-4RW-6D-2G-5bench-unlimited farm. C= crosby,m.koivu,malkin,zajak,grabovski,j.jokinen, LW= ovechkin,nash,s.gagner,dubinsky RW= downie,hemsky,callahan,voracek,perry,mueller D= green,doughty,phaneuf,wisniewski,girardi,karlsson G= rask,lundqvist,ward,price FARM=kreider,grachev,petrov,enroth,kuznetsov,ennis ,rundblad,bjugstad,radulov,montoya, adam,t.erixon,cowan,s.elliot,j.faulk,cormier,petro v,orlov,stone,eakin,grigorenko,silfverberg,brodin, atkinson --G,A,P,PPP,SHP,GWG,PIMS,+/-,SOG,hits,FOW,blocks-Wins,GAA,SV%,saves,SO
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02-07-2013, 08:22 AM
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It is a given that Yak has higher point upside. I only raised the question because the peripherals of +/-, PIM and Hits count equally to G and A. I guess the peripherals will be close enough? Thanks.
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13 Team Keeper - Hold 7 (1 G max) Scoring Cats: G,A,+/-,PIM,Hits,W,GAA,SV%,OTL Start 9F,5D,2G F:Perry,M.Richards,RNH,Thornton,Hossa,Kovalchuk,Pa cioretty,Oshie,Yakupov,Kesler, Huberdeau,Hanzal,M.Foligno D: Letang,Yandle,Bogosian,Burns,Hedman,Ellis,L.Schenn G: Fleury,Schneider
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02-07-2013, 09:04 AM
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UHL Pittsburgh Penguins 24 Team Fantrax Salary Cap H2H Dynasty League Daily G, A, +/-, PIM, PPP, SHP, GWG, SOG, Hits, Blks, FOW W, GAA, SV, SV%, SO 23 Man Roster - 3C, 3LW, 3RW, 3F, 6D, 1G, 4BN, 4IR 27 Man Minor Team C- Tavares, Stepan, Hodgson, Shaw, Bjugstad LW- Ryan, Perron, Downie, Killorn, Rinaldo RW- Wheeler, Simmonds, Coyle, Frattin, Boyes D- Pietrangelo, JJ, Bogosian, EJ, Josi, Cowen, Muzzin G- Lehtonen F: Granlund, Silfverberg, Jensen, Dalpe, Bowman, Knight, Fasth, JAM D: Beaulieu, Koekkoek, Gelinas, Pysyk, McCabe, Irwin G: Nilsson, Nilstorp, Ramo, Berra, Brossoit, Gibson
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#10
02-07-2013, 10:06 AM
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There are several factors you need to look at here. a) Positional (Staal is C and Yakupov is RW). Centre is the deepest of all the positions and therefore, when comparing 2 players, will have an impact on their ranking. I will place a higher value on the #1 overall RW b) Let's look at Staal's stats over the past 3 years (including this hot start) 10/11 - 42gp / 30pts / 7 ppp that's an average of 57pts 13of which are PPP over a full 82 game season Good enough for a 369 overall yahoo rank which is 93rd among Centers. Clearly not keeper worthy...and this is on the Stacked Pit Team (3rd line) 11/12 - 62gp/ 50pts / 7 ppp That's an average of 66pts 9 of which are PPP over a full 82 game season Good enough for a 106 overall yahoo rank which is 47th amoung Centers. Clearly not keeper worthy...again...on a stacked Pit Team (3rd line) 12/13 - 8gp/ 8pts / 3 ppp While this is a PPG game early on, the past 2 years don't suggest he will maintain this (and this is on a far less offesively gifted team). Even with this his perceived hot ppg start, he's still only ranked 109th overall which is 37th among Centers. In my league, we keep 2 Centers. With 10 teams...presumably the 20 best centers would be kept (perhaps a few more if an additional center is kept in a utility spot). Regardless...in the past 3 years which includes this year, Stall doesn't crack the top 20 Centers, he seems to be getting better, but he failed to crack top 80 Centers 3 years ago (granted fewer games) and failed to crack top 40 Centers last year (granted fewer games) and even now, he's failing to crack the top 30 Centers. Hence...my statement that this guy...while a great player...TWO WAY player as you say (later on) is far more valuable in real life than as a keeper in fantasy. Yakupov will undoubtedly be and currently is a keeper in fantasy and that's at a far shallower position... While the 2 play on the 2nd line now, Yakupov's value I believe far outweighs Staal's. Most of the romance surrounding Staal I believe stems from Eric's success (relative theory) as well as from having been a Verry Good player on a GREAT team. He's NOT Eric, will never put the real or fantasy points up that Eric will...But Yak totally could (out point each of them in the near future). I just wonder how many more years have to pass before people realize that there are probably 10 to 20 better Center options available to keep each and every year. So while I totally agree that he's worth having on your team and will bring some value...it's not keeper value based on my league/cats and no where near Yak's. The End...
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Team: C - Tavares, Getzlaf, Ribeiro, (C/R) L - Hall, Semin, Macdonald(C/L), Healtey(L/R), R - Perry, Yakupov, Voracek, Voracek, Williams, Boyes D - Streit, OEL, Edler, Karlsson, B. Smith, Beauchemin, Seidenberg G - Rinne, Bryzgalov, Anderson, Bernier, Vokoun 10 Team Keeper league with Yahoo Roster (14 Kept Players): C, C, LW, LW, RW, RW, D, D, D, D, Util, Util, G, G, (Weighted Category Points: see below). Skaters - (Points: G a/o A) 6 (+/-) 3 (PIM) 1 (PPP) 5 (GWG) 5 Goaltenders (W) 15 (GA) -10 (SV) 1 (SHO) 15 Last edited by havanablast21; 02-07-2013 at 10:09 AM.
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