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02-04-2013, 12:38 PM
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A new stat for fantasy hockey??
I know a lot of leagues are trying to steer themselves away from PIMs as part of their league scoring cats and going more with Hits. Not sure if Fantrax or other fantasy hockey sites are already tracking this stat but I have noticed that Yahoo has been tracking Penalties drawn in their box scores. By trying to add realism to your league I believe this stat would be an effective stat category to replace PIM. Not sure if Yahoo plans to introduce this any time soon but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard since they are tracking it at a game by game basis.
However I'm not sure if penalties drawn are tracked perfectly or not on Yahoo but would like to hear what others think of this. If another site already tracks this I would be interested to hear how accurately it is tracked as well as I would like to add it as a category in one of my leagues.
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16 TM H2H DYNASTY G A +- PIM PPG PPA SHP FW SOG Hits Blks GS W SV GAA SV% SHO 3C, 3RW, 3LW,2F,6D,1Util,2G,5BN,5IR 25 Player Farm Penguins C- Malkin, Crosby,J Thornton, Turris, Johansen, Cullen LW- Hall, Nash, D Brown, Cooke, RW- Gaborik, Wheeler, Clutterback, Tarasenko, Dorsett D-Letang, Goligoski, Salo, Girardi, Faulk, Zanon G- MAF, Rinne, Gustavsson Farm - Grimaldi, Faska, JT Brown, Clifford, Rinaldo, Morin, Beach, Tangradi, Pulkinnen, Spooner, Miele, C Conacher, Welsh, Komorov, Rattie, Orlov, Dehann, Klefbom, Clendening, Thrower, Irving, Kuemper, Rynnas, Hovinen 
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02-04-2013, 12:52 PM
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My brain says this would be a good stat but my heart fears that i would one day end up cheering for my players to dive in an especially close head to head match-up.
Another factor is that this would increase the already high value of your puck-possession scoring forwards... it might change the dynamic of your league quite a bit... it's up to you whether that is a good or bad thing.
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02-04-2013, 12:54 PM
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If PIMs can count, I don't see why penalties drawn can't be a viable cat.
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League: Yahoo 20 Team Dynasty, H2H (4C, 8W, 6D, 1G) Cats: +/-, FOW, A, G, GWG, PPP, SHP, SOG, S, SPct, W, GAA C: Kopitar,Nyquist,J.Staal,Strome W: Atkinson,Benn,Bennett,Brunner Huberdeau,Kessel,Seguin,Selanne D: Beaulieu,DeKeyser,Despres,D.Hamilton,Leopold,Salo G: J.Howard Bench: Braun,B.Flynn,B.Gordon - J.Bernier,O.Pavelec,V.Stalberg Prospects: Andrighetto,V.Arvidsson,Filatov,G.Carey,K.Flanagan,Kabanov,Lehtera,Omark,Ritchie, R.Schwartz,Shalunov,Stransky, Clendening,Deslauriers,Gauthier-Leduc,J.Morrow,R.Murphy,Petrovic,Postma,Reilly, -- M.Hackett
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02-04-2013, 12:57 PM
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I personally don't like it. Take a dive, draw a penalty, get rewarded. Ownership on Ribeiro and Burrows skyrockets :P
I don't like PIMs as a cat either though.
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14 team, keep 20. H2H points C Perez 1B Butler 2B Cano SS Tulo 3B Longoria OF Choo, J. Upton, ArciaBN/UTIL Sandoval, Konerko SP- Hamels, Gallardo, Wainwright, Harvey RP- Henderson, Murjica BN- JZimm, Medlen, A. Sanchez, Lincecum, Fujikawa, Stanton(DL) Minors- Dahl, Arcia, Springer, Lindor 12 team H2H, keeper C Avila, Mcann 1B Fielder 2B Utley SS Andrus 3B Wright OF Bautista, Harper, Jennings, Crawford SP Shields, Wainy, Wilson, Anderson RP Soriano, Mujica Bench - Brown, , Gyorko, Granderson(DL), Revere, Marcum, Garza(DL), Greinke(DL) Minors d'Arnaud, Myers, Walker
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#5
02-04-2013, 01:11 PM
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Fantrax allows you to tweak the scoring for penalties somewhat which allows you to improve on standard PIMs. So for example you can score the generic PIM or you can choose one or more of the following:
-minor penalties -major penalties -instigator penalties -match penalties -misconducts so as you can see you could do something like score 5 min majors as a positive and make minor penalties count as a negative...not perfect because you're assuming all majors are for fighting but its an option they also added Gordie Howe Hatricks to the list of available stats this year, kind of a cool option
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Thats me on the street with a violin under my chin, playing with a grin, singing gibberish.  P=1 DPts=1.2 +/-=.32 PIM=.08 PPP=.4 SHP=.6 S=.015 Blk=.2 Hit=.08 W=2 OTL=.8 GA=-.64 SV=.08 SO=3 Pro (23 keep 17) C- Filppula,Turris,Stastny,Backstrom D-Boyle,MDZ,Karlsson,Robidas,Goligoski,Schenn,Seiden berg G-Anderson,Hiller,Rinne LW-Malone,Parise,Rolston,Eriksson,Ruutu RW-Alfredsson,Callahan,Setoguchi,Brown,Ryder,Vrbata Farm (9 keep all, max 200 GP, 100 Goalies) Colborne,Leblanc,Loktionov,Perreault,Tangradi,Blum ,Poulin,Markstrom
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02-04-2013, 01:13 PM
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16 TM H2H DYNASTY G A +- PIM PPG PPA SHP FW SOG Hits Blks GS W SV GAA SV% SHO 3C, 3RW, 3LW,2F,6D,1Util,2G,5BN,5IR 25 Player Farm Penguins C- Malkin, Crosby,J Thornton, Turris, Johansen, Cullen LW- Hall, Nash, D Brown, Cooke, RW- Gaborik, Wheeler, Clutterback, Tarasenko, Dorsett D-Letang, Goligoski, Salo, Girardi, Faulk, Zanon G- MAF, Rinne, Gustavsson Farm - Grimaldi, Faska, JT Brown, Clifford, Rinaldo, Morin, Beach, Tangradi, Pulkinnen, Spooner, Miele, C Conacher, Welsh, Komorov, Rattie, Orlov, Dehann, Klefbom, Clendening, Thrower, Irving, Kuemper, Rynnas, Hovinen
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02-04-2013, 01:17 PM
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16 TM H2H DYNASTY G A +- PIM PPG PPA SHP FW SOG Hits Blks GS W SV GAA SV% SHO 3C, 3RW, 3LW,2F,6D,1Util,2G,5BN,5IR 25 Player Farm Penguins C- Malkin, Crosby,J Thornton, Turris, Johansen, Cullen LW- Hall, Nash, D Brown, Cooke, RW- Gaborik, Wheeler, Clutterback, Tarasenko, Dorsett D-Letang, Goligoski, Salo, Girardi, Faulk, Zanon G- MAF, Rinne, Gustavsson Farm - Grimaldi, Faska, JT Brown, Clifford, Rinaldo, Morin, Beach, Tangradi, Pulkinnen, Spooner, Miele, C Conacher, Welsh, Komorov, Rattie, Orlov, Dehann, Klefbom, Clendening, Thrower, Irving, Kuemper, Rynnas, Hovinen
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02-04-2013, 01:24 PM
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Thats me on the street with a violin under my chin, playing with a grin, singing gibberish. P=1 DPts=1.2 +/-=.32 PIM=.08 PPP=.4 SHP=.6 S=.015 Blk=.2 Hit=.08 W=2 OTL=.8 GA=-.64 SV=.08 SO=3 Pro (23 keep 17) C- Filppula,Turris,Stastny,Backstrom D-Boyle,MDZ,Karlsson,Robidas,Goligoski,Schenn,Seiden berg G-Anderson,Hiller,Rinne LW-Malone,Parise,Rolston,Eriksson,Ruutu RW-Alfredsson,Callahan,Setoguchi,Brown,Ryder,Vrbata Farm (9 keep all, max 200 GP, 100 Goalies) Colborne,Leblanc,Loktionov,Perreault,Tangradi,Blum ,Poulin,Markstrom
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02-04-2013, 01:30 PM
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I think it would be an interesting stat to track and would give in a whirl in my league. Note, I say the same thing about Average Time On Ice but have never used either so can't say for sure I would like either stat.
Regarding the issue of divers, while I see the concern I don't think it would be a big issue in the grand scheme of things. For every diving drawn penalty I'd expect multiple legitimate drawn penalties. Second, every stat has its flaws: 2nd assists are often far weaker than primary assists but get awarded the same misconduct penalties (often at the end of lopsided games to kick a player out) are usually meaningless but score 10 PIMs (double a fight!) I've had so many weeks decided by misconducts before both ways. Countless other examples, the point is there is not stat that rewards 100% consistently "good" plays. Off the top of my head I'd say it would increase value to puck possession forwards, fast forwards, and fighters (assuming its 5 (or 7 or 17) PIMs drawn). I also think it would be interesting to see at the end of the year who are the top players for penalties drawn. To answer the actual question I'm not aware of any site provider that has it as a scoring option. espn boxscores usually say "2 minutes for hooking x player" but I'm not sure if the stat is officially kept anywhere. Given what I've read about faxtrax I would suspect it would be the first site to add the stat it it were to become available.
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12 team H-2-H 1 year league, daily roster 3 goalie start minimum 2xC, 2xRW, 2xLW, 4xD, 3xUtil, 2xG, 5 Bench G, A, P, +/-, PIM, PPP, SHP, GWG, Hits, W, SV%, GAA C: Stamkos,Thornton, Riberio, Stepan, Desharnais, Clune LW: Moulson, Dupuis, Prust, RW: Kessel, P. Kane, Wheeler, Stempniak D: Hamonic, Zidlicky, Franson, Muzzin G: Bryzgalov, Hiller, Fasth
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#10
02-04-2013, 01:33 PM
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here ya go, these are all categories alphabetically (skaters and goalies mixed):
1Star: 1st Star 2Star: 2nd Star 3Star: 3rd Star AS: Saves - (5 * Goals Against) A: Assists BG: Power Play Goals + Short Handed Goals + Game Winning Goals Blk: Blocks Blk/G: Blocks Per Game ESP: Even Strength Points FO%: Faceoff Percentage FOL: Faceoffs Lost FOW: Faceoffs Won Ft: Fights GMiP: Game Misconduct Penalties GWG: Game Winning Goals GWG+ShG: Game Winning Goals + Shootout Goals GP: Games Played GS: Number of times a Goalie has started the game. Gv: Giveaways Gv/G: Giveaways Per Game GPt: (2 x Wins) + Overtime Losses + Shootout Losses GPt2: (3 x Wins) + (2 x Shutouts) + Overtime Losses + Shootout Losses GPt3: (Wins x 2) + Overtime Losses + Shootout Losses + Shutouts GPt4: (2 * Wins) + Overtime Losses + Shootout Losses + (2 x Shutouts) GPt5: (2 * Wins) + Shutouts - Losses G: Goals GA: Goals Against GAA: Goals Against * 60 / Minutes Played GHHT: At least 1 goal, 1 assist and 1 fight in a given game. HT: Three or more goals in a game Hit: Hits H+B: Hits + Blocks Ht/G: Hits Per Game InP: Instigator Penalties L: Includes only regulation losses in the NHL regular season, but also overtime losses in the NHL playoffs. MjP: 5-minute Major penalties MtP: Game-ejection Match penalties MnP: 2-minute Minor penalties MiP: 10-minute Misconduct penalties OG: Overtime Goals OL: A loss in overtime. Does not include Shootout Losses. OL+ShL: Overtime Losses + Shootout Losses OW: A win in overtime. Does not include Shootout Wins. PIM: Penalty Minutes PSG: Penalty Shot Goals +/-: Plus/Minus Pt: Goals + Assists 2G+A: (2 * Goals) + Assists P/G: Points Per Game PPA: Power Play Assists PPG: Power Play Goals PGI: Power Play Goals scored by the team while the player was on the ice. PPP: Power Play Points SV%: Save Percentage SV: Saves Shft: Shifts Shot%: Shooting % ShMi: Shootout Attempts Missed SGWG: Shootout Game Winning Goals ShG%: Shootout Goal % ShG: Shootout Goals ShGA: Shootout Goals Against ShL: Shootout Losses ShSv%: Shootout Save % ShSv: Shootout Saves ShW: Shootout Wins SHA: Short Handed Assists SHG: Short Handed Goals SGI: Short Handed Goals scored by the team while the player was on the ice. SHP: Short Handed Points SOG: Shots on Goal SA: Shots on Goal Against SHO: Shutouts SHO: A skater is credited for his team's shutout if he dressed for that game, regardless of whether or not he had any ice-time. SHO+HT: Shutouts by Goalies and Hat Tricks STA: Power Play Assists + Short Handed Assists STG: Power Play Goals + Short Handed Goals STG2: Power Play Goals + (2 * Short Handed Goals) STP: Power Play Points + Short Handed Points STPGWG: Power Play Points + Short Handed Points + Game Winning Goals TK/GV: Takeaway/Giveaway Ratio Tk: Takeaways Tk/G: Takeaways Per Game Min: Time On Ice for Goalies TOI: Time On Ice for Skaters TOI-ES: Time On Ice - Even Strength TOI-PP: Time On Ice - Power Play TOI-SH: Time On Ice - Short Handed TOI/G: Time On Ice Per Game TOI-ES: Time On Ice Per Game - Even Strength TOI-PP: Time On Ice Per Game - Power Play TOI-SH: Time On Ice Per Game - Short Handed W: Wins
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Thats me on the street with a violin under my chin, playing with a grin, singing gibberish. P=1 DPts=1.2 +/-=.32 PIM=.08 PPP=.4 SHP=.6 S=.015 Blk=.2 Hit=.08 W=2 OTL=.8 GA=-.64 SV=.08 SO=3 Pro (23 keep 17) C- Filppula,Turris,Stastny,Backstrom D-Boyle,MDZ,Karlsson,Robidas,Goligoski,Schenn,Seiden berg G-Anderson,Hiller,Rinne LW-Malone,Parise,Rolston,Eriksson,Ruutu RW-Alfredsson,Callahan,Setoguchi,Brown,Ryder,Vrbata Farm (9 keep all, max 200 GP, 100 Goalies) Colborne,Leblanc,Loktionov,Perreault,Tangradi,Blum ,Poulin,Markstrom
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