Crosby Offers

[am78]

I'm in a 13 team Pts only pool

I currently have Crosby...How is this offer My Crosby, D Roy for His Ovie, Neal

Or this one that was verbally offered (after a drinks ofcourse)

My Crosby, Little for his Thornton, Kessel

[Axeman33]

I am not a fan of either offer to be honest.

The first one is better then the second one but I still wouldnt do either. I'd want more then OV and Neal for Crosby and Roy.

In the first offer, neither OV or Neal will come close to Crosby's production. Roy is a bit of a wild card here, kinda like OV. Roy is hurt right now and will miss a little bit of time in this shortened season so that will hurt his production but I like his situation in Dallas. They are an up and coming offensive team and he will be right in the middle of it all.

If this was me in your situation, I'd pass on both.

[am78]

Originally Posted by Axeman33

I am not a fan of either offer to be honest.

The first one is better then the second one but I still wouldnt do either. I'd want more then OV and Neal for Crosby and Roy.

In the first offer, neither OV or Neal will come close to Crosby's production. Roy is a bit of a wild card here, kinda like OV. Roy is hurt right now and will miss a little bit of time in this shortened season so that will hurt his production but I like his situation in Dallas. They are an up and coming offensive team and he will be right in the middle of it all.

If this was me in your situation, I'd pass on both.

I appreciate the advice. That's the way I was leaning. I was thinking of countering the Ovie/neal with my Crosby/Versteeg Or even starting lower with a Mueller and then compromising at Versteeg. Would that work?

[horrorfan]

Originally Posted by am78

I appreciate the advice. That's the way I was leaning. I was thinking of countering the Ovie/neal with my Crosby/Versteeg Or even starting lower with a Mueller and then compromising at Versteeg. Would that work?

Do you actually want to trade Crosby? Personally, I wouldn't bother with a counter and if you get offers you can consider only those that blow you away. You have the stud so in a position of strength - by countering it shows to me that you don't value him as highly and thus I (the opposing manager) can possibly get him for lesser value.

[Axeman33]

Good points horrorfan.

If you WANT to trade Crosby, put him out there on your trade block. See what kind of offers you can get for him.

As I mentioned in another thread this morning, dont feel you are obliged to trade anyone just because you have entered into trade talks. If you dont like the offers, dont make the deal. Its that simple.

[am78]

Originally Posted by horrorfan

Do you actually want to trade Crosby? Personally, I wouldn't bother with a counter and if you get offers you can consider only those that blow you away. You have the stud so in a position of strength - by countering it shows to me that you don't value him as highly and thus I (the opposing manager) can possibly get him for lesser value.

I still believe that he is the best Fantasy player out there but our FA pool is non existent. Players like Mason Raymond are the bet available. I think Ovie still has enough to be over a ppg. And same with Neal. My depth us ok. But since the FA pool is so weak. I think that combo may be enough. Crosby/Mueller that is. Which combo donuountjink would
Get more PTS?

My thought Process is this

Crosby gets 65 pts in 45 games
Mueller gets 25

Ovie hits 50-55
Neal gets 47

Perhaps I should be askIng for more as I do believe that the team that lands the best player usually wins a trade.
Since Mueller is better than anyone on the FA list I figured it was worth thinking over. I could ask for another player to improve depth

Again appreciate the advice. I'm in last and am used to being a top contender for the last 10 years

[horrorfan]

Originally Posted by Axeman33

If you WANT to trade Crosby, put him out there on your trade block. See what kind of offers you can get for him.

Originally Posted by am78

I still believe that he is the best Fantasy player out there but our FA pool is non existent. Players like Mason Raymond are the bet available. I think Ovie still has enough to be over a ppg. And same with Neal. My depth us ok. But since the FA pool is so weak. I think that combo may be enough. Crosby/Mueller that is. Which combo donuountjink would
Get more PTS?

My thought Process is this

Crosby gets 65 pts in 45 games
Mueller gets 25

Ovie hits 50-55
Neal gets 47

Perhaps I should be askIng for more as I do believe that the team that lands the best player usually wins a trade.
Since Mueller is better than anyone on the FA list I figured it was worth thinking over. I could ask for another player to improve depth

Again appreciate the advice. I'm in last and am used to being a top contender for the last 10 years

My point above still stands - the fact that you are making the offers shows that you want to trade Crosby (i.e. don't value him as much) rather than letting the offers come to you. As Axeman suggested, put him out on the block and see what offers come in. But only consider those that blow you away.

Yes, you may get value out of those two (Ovie/Neal), but you may not, so you are taking a risk. But it really comes down to how others perceive how much you value Crosby, not on your projections. Putting him on the block just lets people know he's available. Rather, countering shows you're actively trying to trade him, which reduces your perceived value, and plays into other managers' hands.

[lucifer316]

Originally Posted by Axeman33

Good points horrorfan.

If you WANT to trade Crosby, put him out there on your trade block. See what kind of offers you can get for him.

As I mentioned in another thread this morning, dont feel you are obliged to trade anyone just because you have entered into trade talks. If you dont like the offers, dont make the deal. Its that simple.

yeah i dont get this thinking at all really

i have been slowly trying to let people know that just because someone wants one of their players doesnt mean they are obligated to work out a deal where they give them that player

[SubbaNsalad]

Neal will keep pace with Crosby this yr I think... Sid has horrible line mates as usual and Neal and making have chem. also 90% of Sids ppp will prob be negated because Neal will be credited as well. I like deal 1... Roy has been underachieving and getting hurt for too long now

[am78]

Originally Posted by horrorfan

My point above still stands - the fact that you are making the offers shows that you want to trade Crosby (i.e. don't value him as much) rather than letting the offers come to you. As Axeman suggested, put him out on the block and see what offers come in. But only consider those that blow you away.

Yes, you may get value out of those two (Ovie/Neal), but you may not, so you are taking a risk. But it really comes down to how others perceive how much you value Crosby, not on your projections. Putting him on the block just lets people know he's available. Rather, countering shows you're actively trying to trade him, which reduces your perceived value, and plays into other managers' hands.

I do get ur point..These trades were offered to me...Not the other way around. I am certainly in no hurry to trade Crosby But certainly if it makes my team better I would do it. I will keep trying to milk as much as I can and thx for the replies