J. Staal or Voracek ?

[PLDizorm]

Hey guys,

I'm in a 10 teams H2H league with those cats ;

Goals (G), Assists (A), Points (P), Plus/Minus (+/-), Powerplay Points (PPP), Shots on Goal (SOG), Hits (HIT)

I 've been offered J. Staal for Voracek and I've been wondering a lot what to do with it ... Staal is gonna have a chance to play with Skinner while Voracek could end up with Giroux ... what's your thoughts on this ...


Thanks

[havanablast21]

Both are going to be products of their surroundings. As such...Voracek over Staal...and it isn't really that close.

[blayze]

Everyone's going to say Staal, but I think Voracek may pull off the upset here.

He currently IS tabbed to play with Giroux, and as Jagr, Hartnell, Simmonds and JVR will attest to, playing with Giroux can do magical things for your numbers.

[kbro]

Originally Posted by havanablast21

Both are going to be products of their surroundings. As such...Voracek over Staal...and it isn't really that close.

Products of their surroundings? Jordan Staal is a more proven commodity, generating his own offense in mostly 3rd line minutes. Moreso than Voracek, who has already been a top-6 fixture for a couple years.

I see Voracek and Staal having similar upsides, with Voracek possibly having a slight edge given the talent he could play with. However, I see Voracek as having a much lower downside given the fact that his stats will be much more dependent on linemates than Jordan Staal. He's one lineup shuffle away from being a marginal fantasy player. I think Staal is a far safer pick.

EDIT - that said, see what you can squeeze out of the offer, if that's the offer they sent you. Maybe you can upgrade a second player or get some picks involved.

[havanablast21]

Originally Posted by kbro

Products of their surroundings? Jordan Staal is a more proven commodity than Voracek, who has already been a top-6 fixture for a couple years.

I see Voracek and Staal having similar upsides, with Voracek possibly having a slight edge. However, I see Voracek as having a much lower downside given the fact that his stats will be much more dependent on linemates than Jordan Staal. He's one lineup shuffle away from being a marginal fantasy player. I think Staal is a far safer pick.

Sorry...and this is just my opinion...I've never been very big on J. Staal from a Fanasty perspective. He's a very good hockey player and 3rd line Center to boot...but all i've heard is that "HE GET's TO PLAY WITH HIS BROTHER a/o SEMIN"...see what that does to his game, ENTER: Product of his environment.

I still think Voracek will be more successful. He has more to prove. J.Staal has Landed HOME! He's comfortable. It will show...He'll be no better than he was in Pit...(My bet). Ofcourse I'm biased toward my Cats.

[horrorfan]

What does the rest of your roster look like as Voracek isn't in your signature? That could have an effect on what you choose - context is sometimes key.

In a vacuum, offensively they might be close, both could have great seasons and both could underwhelm. I'm not sure which will happen, so the deciding factor for me is this:

Voracek ~avg 50+ hits a full season
Staal ~ avg 130+ hits a full season.

Give me Staal.

[PLDizorm]

There has been reports that Schenn would start the season on the top line :

Schenn, 21, was placed on the top line to start camp, having earned his shot in the last year.
Hartnell thinks Schenn meshes well on his line with Giroux.
“He’s a big body. If you remember in that Pittsburgh series, he was mowing guys over, controlling that puck, he was making plays, doing what you want a big power forward to do,” said Hartnell.

so it would have a negative impact on Voracek who would be on a line with Simmonds and the often injured Briere ... Staal has to be motivated to finally have some room the play and with Skinner on his side he has the produce no ... ?

[blayze]

Originally Posted by PLDizorm

There has been reports that Schenn would start the season on the top line :

Schenn, 21, was placed on the top line to start camp, having earned his shot in the last year.
Hartnell thinks Schenn meshes well on his line with Giroux.
“He’s a big body. If you remember in that Pittsburgh series, he was mowing guys over, controlling that puck, he was making plays, doing what you want a big power forward to do,” said Hartnell.

so it would have a negative impact on Voracek who would be on a line with Simmonds and the often injured Briere ... Staal has to be motivated to finally have some room the play and with Skinner on his side he has the produce no ... ?

Damnit... I just drafted Voracek yesterday on the assumption that he was starting on the top line... FML

[Essej]

I'll take Jordan Staal.

[kbro]

Originally Posted by havanablast21

Sorry...and this is just my opinion...I've never been very big on J. Staal from a Fanasty perspective. He's a very good hockey player and 3rd line Center to boot...but all i've heard is that "HE GET's TO PLAY WITH HIS BROTHER a/o SEMIN"...see what that does to his game, ENTER: Product of his environment.

I still think Voracek will be more successful. He has more to prove. J.Staal has Landed HOME! He's comfortable. It will show...He'll be no better than he was in Pit...(My bet). Ofcourse I'm biased toward my Cats.

My point is his offensive production is already the same/better than Voracek's, while in a 3rd line role. He has proven that he does not require a talent-laden supporting cast and big minutes to put up those points.

Also, this "comfortable" stuff is pretty far-reaching psychoanalysis that I wouldn't put much stock into. I'd rather look at the talent, the stats, the expected minutes, the percent chance of keeping those minutes, etc.

Agree to disagree I guess, and no offense to how you see it.