Conditional pick affected by lockout - opinions?

[wakefield loggers]

Mid season last year I traded JVR for Jagr and a conditional third round pick for the 2013-2014 season. The condition was that JVR get 60 nhl points in the 2012-2013 season.

At the time of the trade the CBA talks weren't being talked about and neither of us considered a lockout. If the NHL comes back there is no possible way JVR gets the 60 points this year.

In your opinion what should be done with this conditional pick ( to be fair )

1. To bad so sad
2. Pro rate the points over the games to be played in the 2012-2013 season.
3. Both owners could work out some other option


Points only league

Forwards: RNH, Hall, Eberle, Benn, Seguin, Skinner, Schenn
Defense: Pietrangelo, Hamilton, Fowler, OEL
Goalie: Fleury, Quick, Schneider

[BradyJets]

I don't know what's been done in other fantasy leagues, or what the fantasy norm would be in this situation...but...

a) I think I would pro-rate the points, or (if you think you can get a better deal, although morality may play into this method,....go to option b)
b) work something else out

I think the 'too bad so sad' method likely isn't in the best interest of your league and your relations with them, although an argument could be made that there are risks with any deal made and there are consequences to live with (ie lockout).

Just my thoughts...never thought about it before just now though.

[Pengwin7]

The points should be pro-rated... as a gentleman's agreement.
However, if the other guy wants to be stubborn, that's his call. Just put that info in the vault.

[STONE.]

I'd pro-rate -- it's not ideal. One hot streak or cold streak would determine the season, but....

You could push the pick and condition to the 2013/14 season, which might work for both too.

[chuckcouples]

If the condition needed to trigger the extra draft pick was that JVR got 60 NHL points in the 2012-2013 season then the extra pick should only be moved if JVR gets 60 points in the 2012-2013 season. The reasons he did not get 60 points should not matter. If you renegotiate this deal then it sets a bad precedent for future trades involving conditional assets.

When dealing in futures, it is always in your best interest to think about any potential happenings. For example, in my keeper league, I made a move for the 3rd overall pick for #8 and #31. The other GM wanted to pick Grigorenko at #3 so he said that if Grigorenko was still available at #3 then the trade would be reversed. I made sure to add a condition that said if Grigorenko was not drafted in the top 10 in the NHL draft, then our trade was un-reversable.

[letnry]

Pro-rating the points would seem like the most likely solution to me, but obviously that is something the other GM would also have to be willing to do. I'd bring the situation up to him and am I sure you will be able to come to a resolve that you both are fine with.

[ericdaoust]

Just my opinion but...

I don't like to pro-rate points. I hate giving credit for points that are not achieved. That's why I always rank Gretzky above Lemieux for example. In the JVR case I think you have to follow the condition as it is written. The NHL has a decorated history of canceling games so you had to consider this as a possibility a year ago. If not, then I think you should consider this a lesson learned unless the other GM agrees to change the agreement based on a shorter schedule.

[Dakkster]

Originally Posted by ericdaoust

Just my opinion but...

I don't like to pro-rate points. I hate giving credit for points that are not achieved. That's why I always rank Gretzky above Lemieux for example. In the JVR case I think you have to follow the condition as it is written. The NHL has a decorated history of canceling games so you had to consider this as a possibility a year ago. If not, then I think you should consider this a lesson learned unless the other GM agrees to change the agreement based on a shorter schedule.

Huh?

We're talking pro-rating the entire season, not pro-rating JvR's points.

Let's say there's a 48 game season. 60 points in an 82 game season pro-rated over a 48 game season is 35 points. So if JvR reaches 35 points he's made the cut.

We're not talking if JvR only plays 40 games and gets 33 points. Pro-rated that would be over 60 points in a 82 game season, but we're working with the basis of a 48 game season here and thus he didn't make the cut in that case.

There is no problem at all with pro-rating the 60 game threshold to 35 in a 48 game season.

[Axeman33]

Originally Posted by Dakkster

Huh?

We're talking pro-rating the entire season, not pro-rating JvR's points.

Let's say there's a 48 game season. 60 points in an 82 game season pro-rated over a 48 game season is 35 points. So if JvR reaches 35 points he's made the cut.

We're not talking if JvR only plays 40 games and gets 33 points. Pro-rated that would be over 60 points in a 82 game season, but we're working with the basis of a 48 game season here and thus he didn't make the cut in that case.

There is no problem at all with pro-rating the 60 game threshold to 35 in a 48 game season.

I have double checked the math and 35 pts is the pro-rated number over a 48g season. Nicely done Dakkster!

I agree with this train of thought as well. I am not a fan of pro-rating points either but in this case I don't see many other options.

[Stan Smyl]

i think pro rate it is your best option, unless the two of you can mutually agree on something else.