Trying to make room for PKSubban

[LeTrefle]

Sorry for the long post.
Keepers in bold in sig.
Would like to make room to keep Subban. All gms are from Montreal area and owning some (good) Habs is always an asset for future trades.
League going from 11 to 12 teams this year. 2 gm dropped their team. Those two teams will be disband. So, 3 new gms who will pick 18 (3x6) keepers after our 54 (9x6).

First question - If I make no trade before the draft, should I keep Subban over Ryan and go with only 2 forwards? What do you think of Ryan? Other gms in my league don't value him really high.

Second question - This is the top keepers options of the 8 returing gms and potential trade partners. If I try to package Ryan and Yandle to get only a forward back then keep Subban, what kind of forward I could/should target? If you are the gm of one of these teams, would you bite to my proposal?

Washington
Sidney Crosby
Nicklas Backstrom
Henrik Sedin
James Neal
Jonathan Toews
Kris Letang
Erik Karlsson

Detroit
Joe Thornton
Pavel Datsyuk
Jarome Iginla
Marian Hossa
Jamie Benn
Logan Couture
Duncan Keith
Pekka Rinne
Jimmy Howard

Pittsburgh
Patrick Kane
Anze Kopitar
Zach Parise
Tyler Seguin
Shea Weber
Marc-Andre Fleury

Chicago
Alex Ovechkin
Ryan Getzlaf
Henrik Zetterberg
Martin St. Louis
Loui Eriksson
Mark Streit
Henrik Lundqvist

Philadelphia
Ilya Kovalchuk
Patrick Marleau
Ales Hemsky
Patrik Elias
Daniel Sedin
Mike Green
Ryan Suter
Cam Ward

Los Angeles
Alexander Semin
Marian Gaborik
Jason Pominville
Mikko Koivu
Dan Boyle
Tobias Enstrom
Jonathan Quick

Vancouver
John Tavares
Rick Nash
Paul Stastny
Phil Kessel
Matt Duchene
Taylor Hall
Alex Pietrangelo
Ryan Miller

Tampa Bay
Mike Richards
David Krejci
Jeff Skinner
Patrice Bergeron
Jordan Staal
Matt Moulson
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Dany Heatley
Dion Phaneuf
Roberto Luongo

Third question - It's very hard to trade players for draft picks in my league. If I'm lucky, Yandle could fetch me a 4th or 5th round pick. Would you be happy to keep Subban and get an extra 4-5 rounder (50th-ish overall after 72 keepers) for Yandle?

Last question - Should I just forget about Subban and go with my 6 bolded keepers?

Thank you very much.

[Essej]

I like the idea of trading Ryan and Yandle for an upgrade while keeping Subban.

But you say Ryan for one reason or another doesn't carry much value to the other owners.

Anywho I would send that package towards Washington for Backstrom, doubt they would be likely to accept but it would won't hurt and it isn't completely out of the realm of possibility. But in a keep 6 with his team, it should be shot down.

To Detroit for Benn would be a nice deal for you, and seems to be something one would consider.

I like Getzlaf from Chicago and would hope that the owner is down on Getzlaf after the weak year.

From Philly if you like Marleau more than Ryan, I'm sure he would accept the deal of Ryan and Yandle. But I'd be hesitant to give up on Ryan for Marleau.

LA looks like the weakest team, and has the worst keeper options, but with your offer the only player I would want from him would be Quick, and I doubt the LA owner would be willing to move Quick.

If there is a particular player you like from Tampa I'm sure a deal could be made there, outside of Nugent-Hopkins who I'm sure Tampa will want to have moving forward.

In a keep 6 with the teams presented it's going to be tough to get an upgrade on Ryan, but I would defiantly try.

[Shoeless]

Out of curiosity what kind of a pick do you think you can get for Subban?

[arctic_rogue]

In a points only, I wouldn't keep Subban over Yandle, Doughty, or Ryan. If you can flip some players for an elite forward (like previously mentioned), I would hold onto Subban though.

[LeTrefle]

Originally Posted by Shoeless

Out of curiosity what kind of a pick do you think you can get for Subban?

Close to nothing.
It really is a disadvantage of losing a roster spot by trading a draft pick.
We dress 14 players/week and we need some bench to cover injuries and/or maximize number of games played.
Usually, we swap picks for a player. I could get an upgrade in picks for Subban, but my benefit will be way less than the gm getting Subban.
I prefer to take the chance to redraft him.

[LeTrefle]

Originally Posted by arctic_rogue

In a points only, I wouldn't keep Subban over Yandle, Doughty, or Ryan. If you can flip some players for an elite forward (like previously mentioned), I would hold onto Subban though.

Will wait for some other opinions, but if the trend is to keep Yandle, Doughty and Ryan over Subban, this is probably what I'll do.

What can I expect for Ryan over a full season? 65 pts? 70? more?
He finished even with Getzlaf at 57 last year, only 3 behind Perry.

[arctic_rogue]

Originally Posted by LeTrefle

Will wait for some other opinions, but if the trend is to keep Yandle, Doughty and Ryan over Subban, this is probably what I'll do.

What can I expect for Ryan over a full season? 65 pts? 70? more?
He finished even with Getzlaf at 57 last year, only 3 behind Perry.

Over a full season, with PP1 and first line time, I see Ryan as a 75 pt player. Of course there's upside for a little more, but I can't see him go any lower than the 57 he had last year.

[Lint07]

Fellow Trois-Rivières guy, uh? (guessing by your avatar)
If it's the case we might even know each other irl. Anyways, it's always nice to see some Quebecers on these boards!

Cheers!

[jhonny]

The Parise owner only has one Dman worht keeping... Maybe offer him Yandle and Ryan... the problem is that you can only keep 6, and one of Ryan or Yandle probably won't make that cut for his team.

He would get Booby Ryan (72 pts - my prediction for next full season), and Yandle (50 pts - also my prediction).

You'd get Parise (74 - Dobber and many others prediction), though I believe another season away from the knee surgery, a fresh start, and a healthy playmaker or two in Koivu and Suter... yer looking at 84 pts next full season)

IMO, Parise is actually a slight buy low for the first time maybe ever.

I also liked the idea that Essej had in going after Benn before that kid blows up.

If you can't make a trade, what are the chances you could redraft Subban? Seems like your fellow Habs won't trade you for him, but will gobble him up in the draft... I have the same issue in my league but with Flyers players.

Good luck!

[Shoeless]

Let's first assume that a trade isn't in the cards - as I look at the rosters in your league, I think the way to go here is to protect Subban and drop Ryan. A 70 point forward and 50 point D man are pretty equivalent, but most teams are going to be hunting for D guys relatively early in the draft and I think you will easily redraft or replace Ryan in the first round.

Now looking at trading Yandle for a 4th or 5th rounder and keeping Subban, I think that's a small win for you - I don't see the point spread between the two being more than 5 on a full year, so getting a pick will advance you one round in the draft that should compensate you those 5 points and very likely more. I would do it, but not a big deal.

Similarly trading Ryan and Yandle for someone like Parise (I personally think Benn is iffy) will also be a small win. So I think in order of priority I would:

1. go for the pick
2. go after a forward upgrade
3. drop Ryan