Help put together a deal

[Clinkers]

I rarely have a problem like this. I have express interest for Derek Roy to the Gm that own's him. He said he would consider moving him if the deal was a win win. I'm scratching my head trying to find a way to offer something that make sense but didn't succed so far.

That's why I need you help It could involve more than one player and any players from my team is available (if it improves my team). Pts/$$ is precious in this cap league(in sig)

His team:

Matt Moulson
Milan Lucic
David Desharnais
Corey Perry
Daniel Alfredsson
Derek Roy
Nicklas Backstrom
Viktor Stalberg
Michael Cammalleri
Lauri Korpikoski
Nick Johnson
Simon Gagne
Chris Kreider
Damien Brunner

Michael Del Zotto
Alex Goligoski
Cam Fowler
Matt Niskanen
Ryan Whitney
Karl Alzner
Simon Despres
Nathan Beaulieu

Jonas Hiller
Tomas Vokoun
Al Montoya
Jacob Markstrom

My team is in sig

[Pengwin7]

Is your team in SIG?

1:1 trades are difficult... the only win-win is if you both strengthen different positions.
A forward-for-forward usually doesn't make sense.

His defense looks pretty good, top 3.
You'd have to offer him Ekman-Larsson (too much) or Schultz (too much) to get Roy.
Kaberle is too little.
In goal, you have Vokoun (too little), Montoya (too little), Markstrom (too much).

So, there's no good 1:1 trade, IMO.

So you have to explore 2:2 trades.
Most good 2:2 trades end up like this:
Team A gets 1st & 4th best players in the deal.
Team B gets 2nd & 3rd best players in the deal.

Here, you could offer Getzlaf (1st best) and a scrub of your choice (4th best)
for Moulson (2nd best) & Derek Roy (3rd best).
This allows you to pair Moulson with Okposo, which might be fun.

He'd get Getzlaf and you'd get two solid forwards.
It's also sexy because pairing Getzlaf & Perry, to him, will seem enticing.

By name recognition, Getzlaf is the big draw.
Getzlaf also is on the final year of good-looking $5.6m contract.
However, you can just about bank on the fact that Getzlaf will get $7m or $8m per year on his next contract... this coming summer.

[ericdaoust]

Originally Posted by Pengwin7

Is your team in SIG?

1:1 trades are difficult... the only win-win is if you both strengthen different positions.
A forward-for-forward usually doesn't make sense.

His defense looks pretty good, top 3.
You'd have to offer him Ekman-Larsson (too much) or Schultz (too much) to get Roy.
Kaberle is too little.
In goal, you have Vokoun (too little), Montoya (too little), Markstrom (too much).

So, there's no good 1:1 trade, IMO.

So you have to explore 2:2 trades.
Most good 2:2 trades end up like this:
Team A gets 1st & 4th best players in the deal.
Team B gets 2nd & 3rd best players in the deal.

Here, you could offer Getzlaf (1st best) and a scrub of your choice (4th best)
for Moulson (2nd best) & Derek Roy (3rd best).
This allows you to pair Moulson with Okposo, which might be fun.

He'd get Getzlaf and you'd get two solid forwards.
It's also sexy because pairing Getzlaf & Perry, to him, will seem enticing.

By name recognition, Getzlaf is the big draw.
Getzlaf also is on the final year of good-looking $5.6m contract.
However, you can just about bank on the fact that Getzlaf will get $7m or $8m per year on his next contract... this coming summer.

Without cap considerations I strongly disagree with this. Unless there is something that forces me to do so (ie money) I want the best player in every deal. The depth can come through other means.

In the cap league in my sig I traded Iginla and McCormick for Cole and Roy last year. According to fantasyhockeygeek Cole out-performed Iggy in this format so I won the trade IMO.

Just putting this out there because I believe there is room for this kind of a deal in a cap league. Context is everything and only the OP can answer that question since he is there in the trenches every day. I just wonder if it might be best to walk away instead of trying to force the square peg into the round hole.

[rataylor22]

Just looking at your guys roster I was thinking a # for 3, that will involve more risk for you

I was thinking try like

Roy
Fowler
Hiller

for

Whitney
Enstrom
Kipper

Reasoning in mind mind, is Hiller and Fowler should be available after really down years. Thats where your risk would be, I think Hiller can match Kipper (for less money) and Fowler will rebound and be just an absolute stud (especially with Vishnovsky gone). Whitney is kind've a sell high after posting a great year last year, I just don't see him keeping that up much longer, and personally I hate having retiring players on my keeper roster. So he gets the players with (perceived) more production, and you get the cap savings, get younger, and get the guy you want.

[Pengwin7]

Originally Posted by ericdaoust

Without cap considerations I strongly disagree with this. Unless there is something that forces me to do so (ie money) I want the best player in every deal. The depth can come through other means.

In the cap league in my sig I traded Iginla and McCormick for Cole and Roy last year. According to fantasyhockeygeek Cole out-performed Iggy in this format so I won the trade IMO.

Just putting this out there because I believe there is room for this kind of a deal in a cap league. Context is everything and only the OP can answer that question since he is there in the trenches every day. I just wonder if it might be best to walk away instead of trying to force the square peg into the round hole.

Gosh... I don't see why you disagreed.

1. It is a cap league. OP mentions that "Pts/$$ is precious in this cap league(in sig)".

2. You listed a trade that is pretty much identical to what I suggested.
Iginla = Getzlaf.
Cole = Moulson (Cole outperformed Iggy in multi-cat last year... Moulson outperformed Getzlaf in points-only last year)
Roy = Roy.
scrub = scrub.


???????
C'mon!!!

[ericdaoust]

Originally Posted by Pengwin7

Gosh... I don't see why you disagreed.

1. It is a cap league. OP mentions that "Pts/$$ is precious in this cap league(in sig)".

2. You listed a trade that is pretty much identical to what I suggested.
Iginla = Getzlaf.
Cole = Moulson (Cole outperformed Iggy in multi-cat last year... Moulson outperformed Getzlaf in points-only last year)
Roy = Roy.
scrub = scrub.


???????
C'mon!!!

Yeah I know, I do like the idea but wouldn't do it if I didn't have major upcoming cap problems. Even in a cap league I am a huge supporter of owning the stars because they contribute so much from one roster spot. But there comes a time when decisions have to be made. Like I said, context is everything.

[Kofax]

Originally Posted by rataylor22

I was thinking try like

Roy
Fowler
Hiller

for

Whitney
Enstrom
Kipper

There's absolutely no way I give up Roy/Fowler/Hiller for Whitney/Enstrom/Kipper. To me that is approaching an insulting offer. You're trading age for youth and the youth is almost on par with the age.

If you really want Roy, you would probably need to approach a trade as suggest by Pengwin. I don't like giving up the best player in the deal, so I probably wouldn't do it, but that is the avenue it appears you would need to take.

[Clinkers]

Quick update, after a lot of back and forth discussion, my latest counter proposal was:

Either:
My Kipper/Getzlaf/Kaberle/Prospal or MacArthur
his Hiller/Roy/Goligoski

or
My Getzlaf/Kaberle/Prospal or MacArthur
his Roy/Goligoski

I would have to give up MacArthur and Prospal anyway because I can't afford them.

Any Thoughts or ideas/comments?

[Buck Fush]

Well if I had to choose one of those it would be the first one, hiller isn't much of a downgrade over kipper and he is almost 10 years younger, and in a 20 team league I wouldn't want to hang my hat on a 35+ year old goalie.

I for one do think Getz is going to bounce back in a big way, for what it's worth.

[rataylor22]

Originally Posted by Kofax

There's absolutely no way I give up Roy/Fowler/Hiller for Whitney/Enstrom/Kipper. To me that is approaching an insulting offer. You're trading age for youth and the youth is almost on par with the age.

If you really want Roy, you would probably need to approach a trade as suggest by Pengwin. I don't like giving up the best player in the deal, so I probably wouldn't do it, but that is the avenue it appears you would need to take.

I'm not saying I would ever make. It's an offer based on perceived value. If the other GM is looking at numbers and frustrated with the performance of his players from last year (easy to see in a 20 team league where it is more than likely not all GMs will be super experienced) then due to numbers and perceived value the Whitney side wins by a landslide. I understand how hockey works, stop trying to be a dickbag because you're making yourself look like an idiot Kofax