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View Poll Results: Kulikov, B.Smith or trade for OEL?
Kulikov 7 43.75%
B. Smith 2 12.50%
Trade 1 of above and Jeff Carter for OEL? 7 43.75%
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:54 PM
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Default B. Smith or Kulikov or Trade for OEL?

Considering my team below (14 player keeper)...and cats... What would you recommend for my 4th keeper defenceman behind Doughty, Edler and Phaneuf...

Kulikov
B. Smith

Or package one and Jeff Carter for OEL?

I'm thinking we may not have a season...so trying to move tangible assets that I may not keep to strengthen my positions...may be a prudent move...if it makes sense.

Thoughts?

Initially wanted to target Piet...but don't think he's attainable.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:33 AM
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As high as I am on OEL, I don't think you should trade Jeff Carter in that kind of format. He's a ROTO beast.

I'd try to package Kulikov (who's worthless in ROTO) with Voracek or Flash instead.
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I would hold onto Kulikov and Carter.
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As high as I am on OEL, I don't think you should trade Jeff Carter in that kind of format. He's a ROTO beast.

I'd try to package Kulikov (who's worthless in ROTO) with Voracek or Flash instead.
Blayze....help me understand. Why is Kulikov worthless in Roto?
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As high as I am on OEL, I don't think you should trade Jeff Carter in that kind of format. He's a ROTO beast.

I'd try to package Kulikov (who's worthless in ROTO) with Voracek or Flash instead.
In a league including SOG, Carter definitely gets a nice boost to value. But the OP doesn't list SOG as a stat in his league....he's pretty much a one category player in this league (points) and I don't necessarily like the direction his scoring has been going, and playing in super defensive LA won't help.

I would gladly package one of those two d-men plus Carter for OEL. If Kulikov could stay healthy I'd keep him but injuries look like they might just always be an issue with him. And although Smith might fill out a lot of categories someday, it's too early to take a chance on him.

OEL is already arguably the most valuable player from this group, and in short time should be the best player, as well.
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Without SOG, I'd trade Carter and Smith/Kulikov for OEL.
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Without SOG, I'd trade Carter and Smith/Kulikov for OEL.
Same here. OEL is a stud. Go get him if you have a chance to do it.
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Without SOG, I'd trade Carter and Smith/Kulikov for OEL.
exactly my thoughts.
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I'd happily move Carter and Smith or Kulikov for Ekman-Larsson. If given the choice between moving Kulikov or Smith I'd move Kulikov.

Have you given any thought to shopping Halak and keeping Backstrom? I know it sounds crazy and it's not what you asked in the first place, but it's something to think about. If GAA and Sv% were included I'd never even think about it. With your categories Backstrom scored 489 points last year to Halak's 701. A 212 point difference. They both played the same amount of games (46), facing an average of less than 30 shots per game (28 per for Backstrom and 26 per for Halak).

Here's my reasoning: the Wild's team defense will improve with Parise, Suter and Granlund in the fold, and so will their offense. That means that they'll be giving up fewer quality chances and scoring more, and will therefore win more games. Barring injury, Backstrom will also start more games than last year, meaning still more points. The last time Backstrom played more than 70 games he was almost a 1000 point player with your set up. His wins weren't great last year, but his Sv% and GAA were the best they've been in the last 3 years and they've been trending up. I think it's only a matter of time until his other numbers start to reflect that.

Halak, on the other hand, is in a pontoon situation and will probably end up around the same GP totals as last year. I'd say he's a pretty solid bet to finish around where he did last year points-wise, but unless he starts 60+ games I'd be surprised if he could do much better. Because his GAA and sv% were so awesome I think there's a general perception that Halak is more valuable than he is in reality. Especially in a league like yours he's probably more highly thought of than he should be. If the Elliott owner needs nother goalie I think that's a great opportunity to upgrade elsewhere. At the very least I would shop him around and see what's out there.

It's definitely a risk, but I think it could pay off huge if I've read the tea leaves correctly.
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