Giroux has been proposed to me...

[KGB920]

I give up Blake Wheeler / Joe Pavelski and I get Giroux.

Thoughts on this?

[hotlunch]

No brainer iyam. If you had hits and a couple other back end stats it would maybe be a bit tougher...then again, GIroux does all of that. Do it!

[dejeanneret]

I'd do it too. Out of curiosity though, how do you get him into your lineup with only two center positions? Does he has other eligibility in your league? You throw him into the utility slot (and if so, who comes out)?

[KGB920]

Giroux is a C/RW in my league. Pav is a C/RW as well and Wheeler is a RW

[lucifer316]

i dont know i would be tempted to stand pat in a 1 year league to be honest

[sixhands]

I wouldn't do this deal in a one-year and I would have to think about it for a long time to consider it in a keeper as well.

Stand pat for now, remember it's a shortened season and it looks like Giroux is missing someone that has moves like Jagger

Cheers

[shingy]

No brainer. Yes. This is a classic 2 for 1 except it's being offered to you. The only reason to say no to this is if you are worried about Giroux picking his play back up to last years standards. Don't be. Remember, you should be concerned with how the player is going to produce from this point on...and Giroux has a lot of producing to do, IMO.

I woudn't be able to hit accept fast enough. You get the best player by far. Anyone who thinks that Giroux isn't a superstar all on his own without players like Jagr (who he outscored by 30 or 40 pts last year) isn't givning him enough credit.

Giroux will be on a tear in no time.

[KGB920]

would you suggest a counter offer?

He has:
Patrick Marleau
Derek Stepan
Evander Kane
Milan Michalek
Patric Hornqvist
Byfuglien
Pietrangelo
Drew Doughty
Brent Seabrook
John Carlson
Dany Heatley
Claude Giroux
Kyle Okposo
Daniel Alfredsson

Marc-Andre Fleury
Corey Crawford
Evgeni Nabokov

[KGB920]

No brainer. Yes. This is a classic 2 for 1 except it's being offered to you. The only reason to say no to this is if you are worried about Giroux picking his play back up to last years standards. Don't be. Remember, you should be concerned with how the player is going to produce from this point on...and Giroux has a lot of producing to do, IMO.

I woudn't be able to hit accept fast enough. You get the best player by far. Anyone who thinks that Giroux isn't a superstar all on his own without players like Jagr (who he outscored by 30 or 40 pts last year) isn't givning him enough credit.

Giroux will be on a tear in no time.

Thanks Shingy, i was sort of thinking along your lines but everyone's opinion here is crucial. I respect the Do's and Don'ts - Just need to feel it out.

[shingy]

would you suggest a counter offer?

He has:
Patrick Marleau
Derek Stepan
Evander Kane
Milan Michalek
Patric Hornqvist
Byfuglien
Pietrangelo
Drew Doughty
Brent Seabrook
John Carlson
Dany Heatley
Claude Giroux
Kyle Okposo
Daniel Alfredsson

Marc-Andre Fleury
Corey Crawford
Evgeni Nabokov

You could look to counter offer. There's probably a few tweeks you could do...but, one big faux pas here is to ruin an already good thing. No doubt he thinks he offered you a fair deal here, I'd take it or risk losing the deal altogether.

I'd also treat every Flyer game like your last chance to acquire Girioux, cause it very well could be.

[lucifer316]

No brainer. Yes. This is a classic 2 for 1 except it's being offered to you. The only reason to say no to this is if you are worried about Giroux picking his play back up to last years standards. Don't be. Remember, you should be concerned with how the player is going to produce from this point on...and Giroux has a lot of producing to do, IMO.

problem is how he has produced so far this season is just as relevant if not more so in determining how he will produce for the rest of this season as how he produced last season is

I woudn't be able to hit accept fast enough. You get the best player by far. Anyone who thinks that Giroux isn't a superstar all on his own without players like Jagr (who he outscored by 30 or 40 pts last year) isn't givning him enough credit.

who cares if he outscored jagr by 30 or 40 points anyone that watched knows that what jagr did for that line was much more than just points and girouxs play this season begs to differ with this assesment

Giroux will be on a tear in no time.

hopefully but it is certainly not a guarantee i am sure that people waited and waited last season for guys like perry and kane to go on tears that just never happened not to mention ovechkin and brad richards

yeah one hopes giroux will turn things around this season i know i do i have him in one of my leagues

but to say with certainty that he will nah i wouldnt blow up a 1 year league trading for him to find out

[habs7079]

Another stay the course vote here. The big issue for Grioux is that the team is no longer insulated by quality veterans and has tipped too heavily towards youth. Jagr and Hartnell not only provided size and talent, but were part of a thinning and aging leadership core inside the Philly locker room. That leadership core has dwindled from Pronger, Timonen, Briere, Jagr, Laperier, Hartnel, Richards, and Carter (say what you will about the leadership of the latter two) to Timonen, Briere, and Giroux over just two seasons. Not only is that a major loss of leadership, but a huge loss of insulating talent. The lack of experience is really showing through and the entire lineup has been incredibly inconsistent as a result (just listen to Grioux rip the team after the game last night against the Habs).

Will Giroux rebound from where he is now? Most certainly when Hartnell returns, but I don't think there is enough upside there this year for that much risk.

[KGB920]

thanks for all the input guys. I'm going to sit on this a little bit more...

[shingy]

"Who cares if he outscored jagr by 30 or 40 points"?

I do. Most people do.

Hartnell will be back in the middle of next week. Schenn and Voracek are starting to warm up. The team will produce much better in the near future.

One question.
Do you really think the risk of trading Wheeler/Pavelski for Giroux (+ waiver pickup) is so great, it's not worth doing?
I don't. I'd do it. But that's just my opinion.

Next year when Jagr isn't in Dallas anymore and Benn has a slow start to the season, I won't be bailing on him and saying it's because Jagr left town. But, that's just me.

I don't know why you'd want to compare Giroux to Kane, Ovie and Richards when they are all in totally different situations.

Ovie has had 3 diff coaches with 3 different styles in the last 18 months. They took one of the most lethal snipers and tried to turn him into Michael Peca.

Kane probably attended as many frat parties as he did practices last while (although he has obviously dedicated himself this year). Do you think Giroux shares Pat Kanes party habits?

Richards (33 years old is worth noting) was traded from the Stars to the NY Rangers, he experienced an 11 point drop from the year before. I'd personally never put my eggs in the basket of a guy recently traded. James Neal comes to mind. It can take a bit of time and it's usually smart to go anther way.

These are the things I consider when I determine my opinion about Girioux's next few months. I'd like to see that offer come across my screen. Not much to lose and a whole lot to gain. Good luck.

[lucifer316]

"Who cares if he outscored jagr by 30 or 40 points"?

I do. Most people do.

i dont want to sound condescending or get into an argument but i am sorry anyone who assesses jagrs contributions last season strictly based on points knows absolutely nothing about hockey

as for the rest whatever