Reply With QuoteEverything else had been unsuccessful so far, so this seems like a fine idea. At this point, there is very little reason not to try it. I'd think Fehr will take it to the membership and it will proceed.
So after mediation has finished.....
Neither side appears happy with anything and nothing new has come out of the whole mediation. Both sides are still too far apart and no progress towards a resolution has come from the meetings.
That being said, apparently Bettman has asked Fehr and PA for an owner-player only meeting. No Bettman or Fehr involved. They are considering the proposal.
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/sta...76936396701696
That could get interesting.
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Everything else had been unsuccessful so far, so this seems like a fine idea. At this point, there is very little reason not to try it. I'd think Fehr will take it to the membership and it will proceed.
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Maybe the two sides did reach an agreement, and they are opting to further paint Fehr and Bettman as the villains by allowing it to get "resolved" in an owner-player only meeting.
A guy can dream, right?
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It's because the owners can't stand Fehr and the players can't stand Bettman. Neither side is willing to bridge the gap when the proposal is coming from either man.
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Best quote I have heard about this "meeting" comes from our very own Dobber on twitter.
https://twitter.com/DobberHockey/sta...89424819441664
"Guys who negotiate billion-$ deals 4 a living want meeting w guys who play hockey to discuss a billion $ deal. Like taking candy from a baby"
No wonder Bettman proposed this meeting.
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G- Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Oettinger
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Interesting tweet from Steve Larmer
https://twitter.com/stevelarmer28/st...87671818477569
"If Gary wants just Owners and players to meet has he decertified the union all by himself?"
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25 Man Roster (no position), top 20 point getters count at end of month
Keep 20/25 at seasons end, Cut 5 to FA for redrafting
Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt
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G- Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Oettinger
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I'm hoping the owners go with this proposal:
Same deal as is on the table + you fire Fehr and we fire Bettman. Davidson become commissioner and Columbus gets an all-star game, draft & winter classic in the next five years as compensation.
/S
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[QUOTE=STONE.;1041597]Maybe the two sides did reach an agreement, and they are opting to further paint Fehr and Bettman as the villains by allowing it to get "resolved" in an owner-player only meeting.
A guy can dream, right?[/QUOTE
This thing is really starting to sound like the '04-'05 lock out. Different issues, but its really looking just like it. Same tactics. Same crap.
This was a dumb idea from the begining. The owners aren't going to let some guy tell them what they should or shouldn't do. They are just too arrogant for that. This was just a PR move and the fans and players know it. Yadda, yadda yadda.
I really thought this would of been settled by the end of October, but I under estimated the owners. Its their way or no way. This looks like it could go a while yet.
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I was going to propose that they are guaranteed a playoff appearance within five years as well, but Toronto would want in on that clause too.
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That was my first thought as well. It would be suicide for the players to negotiate this deal.
At very least they should have the presence of mind to send in Parros. You might as well use the guy who studied economics a Princeton. I think Bieksa was an econ student too..
And I'm pretty sure Parros can go whoop-ass on any owner if it comes to it.
/S
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D(6): Carlson, Heiskanen, Bogosian, Edler, Hakanpaa, Fleury
G(1): Talbot, Sorokin, Varlamov
Bench: Parise (LW), Motte (C), Richardson (C), Hagg (D)
IR: Wood, Henrique, Johnson, Dvorak
Prospects: (F) Barre-Boulet, Khovanov, Beckman, Greig, N. Robertson, Fagemo, Tuomalaa, (D) Ceulemans, Hughes, Schneider, Zboril
The NHLPA just needs to send George Parros, Steve MacIntyre, John Scott, Shawn Thornton, and Jared Boll to the next meeting. If the owners don't accept everything the players propose, Fehr unleashes those guys on them.
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This made me smile and brought some light to the situation for me. I'm tired of this debacle of a negotiation. What sucks for people like me who live in California is that it's hard to find quality hockey to watch in person or on TV. Shoot, I was thinking about watching AHL games, but it's 400 dollars for the equivalent package of Center Ice. Go figure. I guess I'm just going to have to go back to reading and writing a lot more. If hockey comes back, I know I'll turn around and watch the NHL again as I'm addicted to it, but I've become way more jaded about the league and I don't feel that the NHL is worthy to be a top sports league in the US.
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