Just a negotiation tactic by the PA.
Seems to be the word of the day on twitter for anyone talking lockout today.
Not sure what it really means? Check out Bob MacKenzie's latest blog:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=410081
He spells it out fairly clearly and saves me a ton of typing. From what I am reading, its certainly something the players are taking a look at.
10 Team, Points Only, Cash League
25 Man Roster (no position), top 20 point getters count at end of month
Keep 20/25 at seasons end, Cut 5 to FA for redrafting
Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt
Stamkos, Tavares, Eichel, Mercer, JRobertson, RThomas, Kucherov, Nugent-Hopkins, Tuch, KConnor, Necas, Point, Konecny, SJarvis, Cozenz, Morrissey, Bouchard, Josi, Novak, Tolvanen, Peterka, Brink
G- Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Oettinger
"Cleavage is like the sun. You can look, but dont stare.. Unless you're wearing sunglasses."
Just a negotiation tactic by the PA.
UHL Pittsburgh Penguins
24 Team Fantrax Salary Cap H2H Dynasty League
G, A, +/-, PIM, PPP, SHP, GWG, SOG, Hits, Blks, FOW
W, GAA, SV, SV%, SO
23 Man Roster - 3C, 3LW, 3RW, 3F, 6D, 1G, 4BN, 4IR
27 Man Minor Team
C- Tavares, Stepan, Granlund, Bjugstad, Couturier
LW- Ryan, Perron, Ennis, Killorn, Spaling
RW- Wheeler, Simmonds, Coyle, Wingels, Shaw
D- JJ, Schultz, Cowen, Muzzin, Bortuzzo, Stanton
G- Lehtonen, Rämö
F: Lehterä, Wennberg, McNeill, de la Rose, Fast, Leivo, Arnold, Archibald, Lindström
D: Gelinas, Beaulieu, Koekkoek, McCabe, Johns, Gryba
G: Berra, Talbot, Brossoit, Ullmark, Lieuwen, Rynnäs
*UHL Champion 2014*
10 Team, Points Only, Cash League
25 Man Roster (no position), top 20 point getters count at end of month
Keep 20/25 at seasons end, Cut 5 to FA for redrafting
Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt
Stamkos, Tavares, Eichel, Mercer, JRobertson, RThomas, Kucherov, Nugent-Hopkins, Tuch, KConnor, Necas, Point, Konecny, SJarvis, Cozenz, Morrissey, Bouchard, Josi, Novak, Tolvanen, Peterka, Brink
G- Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Oettinger
"Cleavage is like the sun. You can look, but dont stare.. Unless you're wearing sunglasses."
Sure it's an option, but does it actually help the process or does it create another battle front that will just prolong the lockout?
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After reading a few different articles on the process I can't see it being anything more than a really complicated negotiating ploy.
I just want the NHL to come back - but not at the expense of having a league that is a free for all like that soccer crap overseas.
If it's a strange legal step that expedites finding a resolution then they can go crazy.
If it "actually" means they will end up creating free agents galore and going to the highest bidder etc then I am done with the NHL completely. I have sat through two decades of garbage hockey as an Oiler fan and to think that those players could suddenly just be tossed into the open market and picked up by the New York Rangers and Toronto Maple Leafs at exorbitent salaries while I have to watch the early 90s all over again - it's not happening.
It would kill the fanbase in most cities.
Now, realistically I can't see the situation ever getting that far, so hey ... why not. Fire away ... do what needs to be done, and let's get the teams back on the ice.
Could go either way. In NBA it certainly helped:
https://twitter.com/SportsLawGuy/sta...898760423874561 year ago today we were taking timing of NBPA disclaimer & antitrust Armageddon destroying the season. Tentative deal was reached next day.
UHL Pittsburgh Penguins
24 Team Fantrax Salary Cap H2H Dynasty League
G, A, +/-, PIM, PPP, SHP, GWG, SOG, Hits, Blks, FOW
W, GAA, SV, SV%, SO
23 Man Roster - 3C, 3LW, 3RW, 3F, 6D, 1G, 4BN, 4IR
27 Man Minor Team
C- Tavares, Stepan, Granlund, Bjugstad, Couturier
LW- Ryan, Perron, Ennis, Killorn, Spaling
RW- Wheeler, Simmonds, Coyle, Wingels, Shaw
D- JJ, Schultz, Cowen, Muzzin, Bortuzzo, Stanton
G- Lehtonen, Rämö
F: Lehterä, Wennberg, McNeill, de la Rose, Fast, Leivo, Arnold, Archibald, Lindström
D: Gelinas, Beaulieu, Koekkoek, McCabe, Johns, Gryba
G: Berra, Talbot, Brossoit, Ullmark, Lieuwen, Rynnäs
*UHL Champion 2014*
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4C-4LW-4RW-6D-2G-5bench-unlimited farm.
C= eichel,horvat,malkin,kuznetsov
LW= forsberg,kreider,lee,b.tkchuch,hertle,granlund
RW= reinhart,radulov,hoffman,laine,hayes
D= doughty,ghostebehere,karlsson,jones,klefbom,dahlin ,skjei
G= price,murray,grubauer,georgiev,ullmark,samsonov
under250gp=nichushkin,tuch,mathesson,marino,pujuja rvi,hosang,terry,andersson,j.hughes,patrik,crouse, zadina,podkolzin,k.miller,nedeljkovic,kravtsov,hay ton
--G,A,P,PPP,SHP,GWG,PIMS,+/-,SOG,hits,FOW,blks-Wins,GAA,SV%,saves,SO
This is most definitely a negotiation ploy, and a good one, but the players better be 100% on board. If it goes through it will END lots of player careers, and screw over the 3rd/4th liners. If it happens a couple of points other reporters have brought up:
1) NFL decertified, but the anti-trust cases were denied by a superior court 3 times (after a lower court approved), so there is a presidense set. (as per the hockey Guru Bob McKenzie).
2) If it is dragged out in court, look for no 2013-2014 season either.
3) Sure players have a free-for-all, but only the elite players. AND goodbye pension, benefits, perks (hotels/travel/etc), and bye-bye lots of jobs as teams would most definitely fold.
4) Good bye NHL, as it won't be watchable
I think they may go this route as just a threat, after all it worked in the NFL and NBA negotiations....but what did the players really "gain" in those deals...not much, they are at about 50-50, or worse. Players better know what they are signing up for...but I guess that they should have since they hired Fehr!!
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LW: Landeskog Galchenyuk Ovechkin
RW: Tarasenko
F: Pacioretty Lucic
D: Karlsson OEL Green
G: Quick Price
F: Draisaitl VatanenC: Backstrom Stamkos Kopitar
LW: Pacioretty Schwartz Palat
RW: Kucherov Hornqvist Nash
D: Klingberg Faulk J.Johnson Streit
G: Bernier Dubnyk Hutchinson
B: Drouin B.Ritchie Jaskins Krejci
Farm: Kuznetsov Domi Jones Ho-Sang Deangelo Hellebyuck
My feeling is they go this route out of pure hatred now. Sadly, at the stage this is at, I do not believe any deal can be reached as long as Fehr and Bettman are at the lead on their respective sides.
12 team keeper league. 8 keepers/team.
Skater Pts: goal = 2, assist =1, +/-, PIM = .5
Goalie Pts: win = 5, SO = 3, Sv = .1, GA = -.9
FORWARDS:
C. Giroux, I. Kovalchuk, E. Malkin, D. Clarkson, D. Perron, J. Pominville, J. Tootoo, R. Mason, R. Nash, J. Iginla, S. Gagner, R. O'Reilly, T. Bozak
DEFENSE:
C. Letang, Mike Green, A. Edler, N. Kronwall, D. Engelland, K. Yandle, B. Dillon, P. Martin
GOALIES:
R. Miller, J. Quick J. Hiller, C. Nilstorp
I like this move by the NHLPA... I like it a lot.
Obviously it's never going to practically happen as the league would implode, but setting this tone definitely will accelerate the process closer towards a resolution.
It is important that the players show a united front right now in supporting this and that there is no wavering.
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the thing about every one of these negotiations is that we all know there is are area that both sides will be happy with. as time and investment into the negotiations goes on, both sides feel they have already sacrificed and as a result deserve more, so the overlap in acceptable deals gets smaller and smaller.
The threat of decertifications is really a classic "this is my ball, and i am taking it and going home", but a lock out is the exact same move on the other side. Once both sides have laid their cards out, and have shown that they will not fold, the hope is that both sides are willing to go back and find that deal that makes them all feel like they got something.
This entire process is marred by a bad deal the last time around: the NHL wanted a cap very badly, and sacrificed a lot in the raw numbers to get it. The players were sitting on a 57% share of revinue- most other leagues are much closer to a 50/50 split, and most of the other leagues have a much higher revinue (remember that the fixed costs are all fairly similar, and those things come out of the owners half). In the NHL with a smaller pie, and the teams getting a smaller part of a small pie, they simply could not make money. There are a few teams that did very will in this system, but most did not.
We get to these negotiations, and we now have a bigger pie, so it should not matter as much to cover expenses since they are still relativly fixed figures and the NHL overall still netted a profit off of the old deal. It did become apparent that some teams could not survive in this set up since thier fixed cost are above teh 43% they were receiving, so there was no way from them to turn a profit. Both sides came to the table to discuss solutions. The players wanted the rich teams to share their money with the poor teams. The league wants the players to just take a smaller portion. Both are solutions to the same problem. one has a few rich teams paying the bill, the other has the players paying the bill.
Decertification actully makes the leauges stance even sillier since there are no longer players at all, so there is no one to foot the bill. The reality is that the players are getting too big of a slice of the pie (50/50 is what every other league gets, since you are above it, give in and go to 50), but the league needs to expand profit sharing with other teams. in another 5-10 years they will be in this situation again, and if there is already revinue sharing owners will not complain about doing it more every time.
Both sides just have come to the point that neither wants to give up too much since they have already sacrificed. Personally i like the idea of a mediator or arbitrator in these cases since there clearly is an intent to be bound on both sides. they need each other to survive, it is just a matter of figureing out a way make both sides content (we are beyond a win win situation, we are down to nobody cries option)
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AO benn
kessel malkin
ryan purcell
green letang enstrom kulkov OEL ellis
lundy ward varly bernier lehrner
burmistrov hodgson michalek, ryan oreilly, turris okposo
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Spezza, Tavares
Vanek,doan
malkin, eberle
Doughty Letang, karlsson, weber
hall
green enstrom downie palmeiri kassain bogo
lundy price pavelec
weiters fielder kipnis wright hanley braun upton upton maybin victorino goldschmidt
kershaw, startsburg, greinke, bumgarner, price, neise, bret anderson
valverde, hanrahan, aceves, reed, guerra, storen
Actually being united is needed for decertification as they HAVE to vote by a majority to even start the process. Until the process is started the NHL will treat it like an empty threat. But as I said, if they start it, they better be prepare to live with the consequences afterward...most of these players need an education from someone other than the Fehr's.
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LW: Landeskog Galchenyuk Ovechkin
RW: Tarasenko
F: Pacioretty Lucic
D: Karlsson OEL Green
G: Quick Price
F: Draisaitl VatanenC: Backstrom Stamkos Kopitar
LW: Pacioretty Schwartz Palat
RW: Kucherov Hornqvist Nash
D: Klingberg Faulk J.Johnson Streit
G: Bernier Dubnyk Hutchinson
B: Drouin B.Ritchie Jaskins Krejci
Farm: Kuznetsov Domi Jones Ho-Sang Deangelo Hellebyuck
I bet my house that most players don't even understand the ramifications of "delinkage" let alone "decertification". I find it very convenient that Fehr has never used the former term in his leaked memos AKA PR stunts.
If the NHL calls the PA on this bluff, most likely half of the current NHLPA members (those 3rd/4th liners)will never play again in 2 years time. Guess what, I wouldn't give a rat ass about them because they are simply too dumb to understand the number Fehr did on them.