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    In an expansion to my article called Re-ranking the top ten starting pitchers, here is my top 20.

    The plus/minus numbers indicate if one has risen or fallen in my rankings since writing the article.

    1. Justin Verlander
    2. Felix Hernandez
    3. Clayton Kershaw
    4. David Price (+1)
    5. Matt Cain (-1)
    6. Madison Bumgarner
    7. Stephen Strasburg
    8. Jered Weaver
    9. Johnny Cueto
    10. Chris Sale
    11. Cole Hamels
    12. Gio Gonzalez
    13. R.A. Dickey
    14. Yovani Gallardo
    15. Zack Greinke
    16. Yu Darvish
    17. C.C. Sabathia
    18. Jeremy Hellickson
    19. Huroki Kuroda
    20. Matt Harrison

    Look for other lists from me in the coming days.
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    I continue to see C Lee in the top 6 or 7 SP for this year, looks like you've gone the other direction
    lots o love for Hellickson & Harrison

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastdogs View Post
    I continue to see C Lee in the top 6 or 7 SP for this year, looks like you've gone the other direction
    lots o love for Hellickson & Harrison
    Yeah, he's just outside my top 20. 34 years old now, had his struggles last year.
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    I think Wainwright will have a big season, never too soon to start talking baseball. Thoughts on Morrow/J.Johnson?

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    I think Jordan Zimmerman deserves a spot in their as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmvincent View Post
    Yeah, he's just outside my top 20. 34 years old now, had his struggles last year.
    struggles?
    run support yes, which is not his doing

    Lee ranked

    15th in era
    10th in whip
    9th in SO

    Kuroda/Harrison/Hellickson over Lee?
    I have Lee around 9 or 10.

    Jordan Zimmerman, Adam Wainwright belong in top 15

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    You know you're totally out of it when you still think Roy Halladay is still a top20 starting pitcher in baseball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CMcKaig View Post
    I think Wainwright will have a big season, never too soon to start talking baseball. Thoughts on Morrow/J.Johnson?
    I don't disagree, it's tough putting together these rankings and leaving out guys like Scherzer, Lee, Zimmermann and Wainwright. Johnson is in a contract year and playing with a much better team, lots if reason to believe a big year is coming.

    As for Morrow, always liked him but he can either be completely dominant or struggle, he didn't finish well last year and the AL East division continues to get stronger.

    Halladay is not top 20 material anymore, quite simply put.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOOTIE View Post
    struggles?
    run support yes, which is not his doing

    Lee ranked

    15th in era
    10th in whip
    9th in SO

    Kuroda/Harrison/Hellickson over Lee?
    I have Lee around 9 or 10.

    Jordan Zimmerman, Adam Wainwright belong in top 15
    You have the right to your opinion, I just ask that you respect mine.

    I have my reasons for leaving Lee out of my top 20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmvincent View Post
    You have the right to your opinion, I just ask that you respect mine.

    I have my reasons for leaving Lee out of my top 20.
    Great, what are they?
    Any list is debatable. No dis-respect, just debatable.
    I saw age and struggles?
    If you base it on age, fine.
    But Lee didn't struggle, that's not debatable.

    FWIW, Lee is 5th at MDC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmvincent View Post
    Johnson is in a contract year and playing with a much better team, lots if reason to believe a big year is coming.
    Contract year is really moot, since there's no evidence in it.
    JJ now faces a DH, pitches in the AL East, and pitches in a great HR park.
    His stock plummeted big time.

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    Lee had a strange year, he couldn't buy a win despite pitching very well. I know he's a very good pitcher, but the lineups in the National League continue to improve as some of the young players grow with experience. Players like Bryce Harper and Jason Heyward will be that much more dangerous this upcoming season.

    Secondly, I'm still not convinced the Phillies are a great team. Sure, they added Revere, Michael Young, Mike Adams and Delmon Young but how much better does that make them? They improve, but I'm not ready to say this team is very dangerous.

    Lee will also be without catcher Carlos Ruiz, as he was suspended 50 games for doping. Ruiz has a reputation for calling a great game. Can Erik Kratz do the same? He also pitches in a hitter friendly park.

    I can understand why some people want to bet on Lee this year, but I'd rather go with someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmvincent View Post
    In an expansion to my article called Re-ranking the top ten starting pitchers, here is my top 20.

    The plus/minus numbers indicate if one has risen or fallen in my rankings since writing the article.

    1. Justin Verlander
    2. Felix Hernandez
    3. Clayton Kershaw
    4. David Price (+1)
    5. Matt Cain (-1)
    6. Madison Bumgarner
    7. Stephen Strasburg
    8. Jered Weaver
    9. Johnny Cueto
    10. Chris Sale
    11. Cole Hamels
    12. Gio Gonzalez
    13. R.A. Dickey
    14. Yovani Gallardo
    15. Zack Greinke
    16. Yu Darvish
    17. C.C. Sabathia
    18. Jeremy Hellickson
    19. Huroki Kuroda
    20. Matt Harrison

    Look for other lists from me in the coming days.
    my top 25

    best 4; stras, price, verlander, kershaw

    next 11; felix, hamels, cain, giog, clee, greinke, bummer, darvish, dickey, sale, weaver

    next ten; wainwright, ccs, medlen, shields, scherzer, halladay, gallardo, latos, jzim, cueto, moore

    big drop to the next group, headed by morrow and peavy.
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    g; rinne, elliott
    bench; garon, giguerre, hodgson, orpik, d roy
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