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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorro View Post
    How many goals will Max Pac score this season??
    Put me down for 33 with more assists than last year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by yougo View Post
    No one in the Habs organization has ever said that Mike Weaver will play in the top4.

    He's going to be a #5-6-7 for the Habs, nothing more. Unless there is an injury to a right-handed D, he's not going to play top4 minutes.

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    I'd say between 37-42.
    I agree with you and his cap hit certainly suggests it... Though it seems like we're missing someone in the top 4 then..

    Gilbert is not a top 4, Weaver is not a top 4. I guess Emelin is but he better be much better than last year or he will not be effective in the top 4..

    So that leaves: Subban, Markov, Emelin in the top 4. Then a gap, then Beaulieu, Gilbert, Weaver, then another gap, then Tinordi, Pateryn?...

    I think Max Pac gets 34G next year, with 30A.
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    How many goals will Max Pac score this season??
    I think he'll take a step back, and some sort of injury will derail him for at least a month. Put me down for 25-30.

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    How many goals will Max Pac score this season??
    I'm thinking something between 30-35 goals is a reasonable expectation.

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    Agreed, but my guess is that Gilbert will not be a lasting solution and will eventually fall the way Murray did. Also, while Weaver was solid in the playoff run, I'm not so sure he will be a rock in the top 4. He is more a 5-6 to me. Which means one of those 3 will be top 4 for sure at some point in the season and Tinordi and Pateryn will rotate in and out of the lineup..
    I don't think it is fair to Gilbert to compare him to Murray. While I agree that Gilbert is not a clear top 3 Dman on any team, I think that his on-ice contribution will help the Habs in comparison of what Gorges was doing... The Habs still have a block-shot machine / PK specialist in Weaver, and they were lacking a puck-moving Dman to play the right side, while their 2nd wave of PP needed a boost. I think that Gilbert is not receiving a lot of love because it is perceived that he is replacing Gorges and that everyone was loving Gorges, and that the way he left was confusing, to be polite.

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    I don't think it is fair to Gilbert to compare him to Murray. While I agree that Gilbert is not a clear top 3 Dman on any team, I think that his on-ice contribution will help the Habs in comparison of what Gorges was doing... The Habs still have a block-shot machine / PK specialist in Weaver, and they were lacking a puck-moving Dman to play the right side, while their 2nd wave of PP needed a boost. I think that Gilbert is not receiving a lot of love because it is perceived that he is replacing Gorges and that everyone was loving Gorges, and that the way he left was confusing, to be polite.
    To me, it's not so much that he is replacing the beloved Gorges, so much as he is a journeyman defenseman who all-of-a-sudden is slated to play in our top 4 or so.. I think there's a drop-off from Gorges to him, even talent-wise (talent at playing the defenseman position.... not offensive talent.. which he has always had, but it was the former that kept him from being a reliable D-man). That's what's got me in a pickle... Yeah, I'm all for reclamation projects and such and such, but this is a team that went to the ECF and I don't feel like taking any steps backwards... To me, unless the youngsters prove they are ready to play regular NHL hockey, we took some steps backwards this offseason, at least on paper. But that's why the play the games, because you can't see development on paper and I think the Habs are counting on a lot of that.

    Imagine if the Habs became elite contenders one day, so much that we wouldn't have to worry about off-season tinkering? Oh to dream. Though 2 ECF in 5 years I guess is nothing to sneeze at (with a 27th place finish in there too lol).
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    Quote Originally Posted by habs83 View Post
    I don't think it is fair to Gilbert to compare him to Murray. While I agree that Gilbert is not a clear top 3 Dman on any team, I think that his on-ice contribution will help the Habs in comparison of what Gorges was doing... The Habs still have a block-shot machine / PK specialist in Weaver, and they were lacking a puck-moving Dman to play the right side, while their 2nd wave of PP needed a boost. I think that Gilbert is not receiving a lot of love because it is perceived that he is replacing Gorges and that everyone was loving Gorges, and that the way he left was confusing, to be polite.
    Well said. I think that Gilbert is good #3 or #4. He's not a long term option though, and I think the Habs need to find one. With Markov's three year contract, they will have all the time needed to groom Beaulieu and Tinordi in becoming legitimate top4 D. The hole is on the right side, as MTL doesn't have anyone in the farm who is poised to become a top4 on the right side. Maybe Dalton Thrower?! I don't think Pateryn is going to be more than a #5-6-7. A long shot would be Magnus Nygren.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yougo View Post
    Well said. I think that Gilbert is good #3 or #4. He's not a long term option though, and I think the Habs need to find one. With Markov's three year contract, they will have all the time needed to groom Beaulieu and Tinordi in becoming legitimate top4 D. The hole is on the right side, as MTL doesn't have anyone in the farm who is poised to become a top4 on the right side. Maybe Dalton Thrower?! I don't think Pateryn is going to be more than a #5-6-7. A long shot would be Magnus Nygren.
    indeed lots of Qs. I would hope Gilbert can recapture some of the promise he had as a youngster, but it looks like he's definitely a short-term stop-gap until the prospects in the system are ready. I hope that'sooner more than later.. Beaulieu looked pretty good in the playoffs.
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    What does Beaulieu's future hold for him points wise?? Is he going to be a 40-50 point dman one day??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorro View Post
    What does Beaulieu's future hold for him points wise?? Is he going to be a 40-50 point dman one day??
    Possibly, but he's probably at least three years away from getting there, unless Markov or Subban gets hurt.

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    What does Beaulieu's future hold for him points wise?? Is he going to be a 40-50 point dman one day??
    I have trouble putting that expectation on any prospect. Not many dmen get there in a given season. I would say the 40-50 range will be his peak years. Maybe more of a guy that pushes for 40 yearly but doesn't always get there. He has good skills and excellent skating. I'm just not sure if it will translate into huge point totals. Some guys are more "puck movers" than "point producers".

    I might be entirely wrong though. Either way he's going to be a valuable player.


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    I have trouble putting that expectation on any prospect. Not many dmen get there in a given season. I would say the 40-50 range will be his peak years. Maybe more of a guy that pushes for 40 yearly but doesn't always get there. He has good skills and excellent skating. I'm just not sure if it will translate into huge point totals. Some guys are more "puck movers" than "point producers".

    I might be entirely wrong though. Either way he's going to be a valuable player.
    Yeah, like a la Jay Bouwmeester...

    I see 36+ from him on a consistent basis. 43 or so in his peak years. No 50, unless it's due to magic created by working the PP with Subban (which is entirely possible, I suppose, but I would peg it as unlikely). Draft him as a 35+ and you will not be disappointed, is my mantra.
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    Yeah, like a la Jay Bouwmeester...

    I see 36+ from him on a consistent basis. 43 or so in his peak years. No 50, unless it's due to magic created by working the PP with Subban (which is entirely possible, I suppose, but I would peg it as unlikely). Draft him as a 35+ and you will not be disappointed, is my mantra.
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    Pessimism wins in fantasy leagues.
    Keeps expectations and hype in check. Definitely.
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    Thanks guys.. I'm just a B's fan trying to get the inside track on some Habs guys I am targeting..
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