Dolphins/Buccs Game - PPD to Week 11

[PenguinHunter]

https://twitter.com/TBBuccaneers?ref...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Make sure to get your Buccs and Dolphins out of week 1 lineup.

[Pengwin7]

Yeesh - that's a shot to the kidneys for owners of the key guys.
I intentionally drafted only 4 WRs thinking that would be just fine until bye week.
If my WR1 OBJ doesn't play... and WR3 D.Parker is now out, yugg.
[As an aside, of course - best fortune to those in the wake of Irma.]
I will say, I'm glad they [NFL] got this news about before Thursday's game so I could put my WR4 Chris Hogan into my line-up.

[rataylor22]

Awesome news for people who drafted Doug Martin. Now gets to avoid the Vikings and carve the Dolphins instead.

[dejeanneret]

Man, playing 16 in a row could be rough on some of these guys (particularly RBs, o-line, d-line, LBs -- high impact/collision positions). And with the Dolphins also having a trip to London mixed in there too ... yeesh.

[PenguinHunter]

Man, playing 16 in a row could be rough on some of these guys (particularly RBs, o-line, d-line, LBs -- high impact/collision positions). And with the Dolphins also having a trip to London mixed in there too ... yeesh.

Thats almost not fair! Why wouldn't they play this game in a neutral site like was discussed. Philly and Pitts are both away... would have been way better... and it sounded like the home team was all for it, they were more concerned about getting the game in then the home game revenue (or so it appeared)

[2014olympicgold]

Miami's stadium had like $200mill in reno's the last 2 yrs and most of it went to make it withstand category 4 Hurricanes. Irma is a Cat5. The bigger issue could be if the stadium is functional week 4, their next homegame vs the saints.

Sucks for Ajayi owners, he's going to get hurt now.... ugh.

[Pengwin7]

Miami's stadium had like $200mill in reno's the last 2 yrs and most of it went to make it withstand category 4 Hurricanes. Irma is a Cat5. The bigger issue could be if the stadium is functional week 4, their next homegame vs the saints.

Ooooo... a chance to be PE "Work Pengwin".
Officially, no construction can be said to "resist cat 5 hurricanes"... because, the Category 5 Storm does not have a quantitative upper bound on wind speed.

Category 4 Storm is 130-156mph.
Category 5 Storm is 157+ mph.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir...3Simpson_scale

And meteorologists love to find even a singular data location that they can reference to call it a bigger storm.
They, like many people with jobs, love to substantiate their value by referencing something as its WORST POSSIBLE - when they can.
So the hurricanes, as we know, typically start & strengthen mostly in the ocean, and whenever they ramp up, we get that worst-level storm report!!!

Of note, Hurricane Harvey, when it touched onto the Texas Coast had only one spot location that was logged at exactly 130mph - so they (reporting outlets) were (barely) able to call that a "Cat 4" hurricane.
In truth, Hurricane Harvey was really was more of a Cat-3 wind storm.
(Of course, that's not to downplay the flood level damage - which is generational... but the wind-level damage was simply "Cat 3" along some of the Gulf coast.)

By today's building code (International Building Code / IBC), standard buildings (Risk Cat II) in that Texas coastal area (I mapped Rockport, TX) are supposed to be designed for 147mph winds and essential facilities (post-storm) should be designed for 156mph.
http://windspeed.atcouncil.org/index...aptype=roadmap

For Miami, Florida:
Standard buildings should be designed for 169mph winds.
Essential buildings should be designed for 182mph winds.
http://windspeed.atcouncil.org/index...aptype=roadmap

Places that can gather more than 300 people in one room are considered the Risk Cat III-IV buildings, which includes stadiums, schools, churches, etc.
So the Miami stadium renovations should be designed to resist wind loads of 182mph. (That's the key number to track: 182mph.)

This would, actually, cover much of Cat-5 storms... including the bounds I've heard on Irma when it makes Florida landfall.

Specifically, the numbers I reference are "strength level" wind event numbers for a worst in 700 year storm. (1 in 700yr).
Designs can also be done for the cladding performance based on a 1-in-50year storm, which IRMA could actually qualify as.
[Wind storm event-level discussion is in my wheelhouse as a senior engineer at my firm.]

OK, Pengwin -short version:
If designed to code, IRMA shouldn't do much more damage to the Miami stadium beyond ripping some pieces of wall covering off (which could, by code limits, happen at 145mph+).
There shouldn't (if properly designed) be any significant damage to the stadium. The bones of it will hold solid if the wind is below 182mph.

[hockeyrobot]

Thats almost not fair! Why wouldn't they play this game in a neutral site like was discussed. Philly and Pitts are both away... would have been way better... and it sounded like the home team was all for it, they were more concerned about getting the game in then the home game revenue (or so it appeared)

It isn't fair at all!! Im shocked they went this route! Is there any precedence of this? I know games have changed sites before but to give 2 teams 16 straight games is a clear disadvantage to those 2 teamss.

[2014olympicgold]

@P7
Great knowledge there.

The only thing I can find is the canopy is designed for C4 (so your 182mph you said), curious what rest of the stadium can withhold (field {but can get that new easily}, ground, stands, Jumbotron).

NFL should adjust who plays in London and let Miami play at home that week.

[rataylor22]

Ross Tucker @RossTuckerNFL 20h

If the timing of your team's bye week will make or break their season than they aren't good enough anyway so don't worry about it.

Ross Tucker‏ @RossTuckerNFL 20h

NFL used to have byes in Week 3. Acting like a Week 1 bye is a huge safety issue is a stretch.

From a former NFL lineman.

This was the right decision.

[2014olympicgold]

From a former NFL lineman.

This was the right decision.

He played 1 full season (42 games over 7 seasons) and started 24 games in his career (12 of which were in his 1 full season). Back when there wasn’t Thursday night football every week, and teams weren’t playing overseas.

Trent Williams, the Skins Tackle, over his 7 yr career so far has played in 97games, and started in 96. To put it lightly, Ross Tucker shouldn’t be talking about this stuff. A bye week can be the reason why you lost or won a week, and 1 game can keep you out of the playoffs.

[rataylor22]

He played 1 full season (42 games over 7 seasons) and started 24 games in his career (12 of which were in his 1 full season). Back when there wasn’t Thursday night football every week, and teams weren’t playing overseas.

Trent Williams, the Skins Tackle, over his 7 yr career so far has played in 97games, and started in 96. To put it lightly, Ross Tucker shouldn’t be talking about this stuff. A bye week can be the reason why you lost or won a week, and 1 game can keep you out of the playoffs.

To put it lightly, I'll put a lot more stock in his opinion than yours.

And again, if 1 game is the difference between making or missing the playoffs, you're probably not a contender anyways.

[2014olympicgold]

To put it lightly, I'll put a lot more stock in his opinion than yours.

And again, if 1 game is the difference between making or missing the playoffs, you're probably not a contender anyways.

Both teams players don't like this solution. They wanted a neutral site so they don't lose the Bye week.

And teams that had 1 win change their position last yr:
Texans, Titans, Colts. (9-7,9-7,8-8)
Chiefs, Raiders (12-4,12-4)
Packers, Lions, Vikings (10-6, 9-7,8-8)
Tampa Bay (9-7). Missed on the Wild Card

That was to get into the playoffs. And if you wanna go into more detail, it would affect who you play for teams like Chiefs/Raiders, Houston/Tennessee/Indy, and even Steelers.

May not win you the SuperBowl, but 1 game can have an affect throughout the playoffs. Which may change who a team plays, where they play (home/away), and revenue. And what about the teams Bucs and Fins play in week 12? They get an easier team because both teams didn’t get 2 weeks to prep to play them, their record is now affected.

[dejeanneret]

Ross Tucker characterizing it as making or breaking the season is a straw man.

A week 1 "bye" (i.e., starting the season late), and then playing 16 straight is a disadvantage. There's no conceivable explanation for how it's anything but disadvantageous. Will it make or break anyone's season? Who knows, but probably not. Yet both the Bucs and Dolphins are now at a disadvantage relative to the other 30 teams.

For example:

Through no fault of their own, the Dolphins essentially wasted several weeks of preparation for Tampa Bay, which was on the team's radar since the start of training camp. Miami must turn the page next week to the Los Angeles Chargers, and then return to its summer prep against the Buccaneers in November. That is not easy to do.

Dolphins players were not happy about potentially postponing the game when the option was presented to them Tuesday. Nearly every player that met with the media wanted to play the Buccaneers this week and retain their bye.

“Let’s be honest about it; it’s a long season,” Miami Pro Bowl receiver Jarvis Landry said. “And I think the stretch after our bye week is probably one of the toughest -- if you want to be real about it -- probably the toughest in the NFL. That bye week will give us an opportunity to kind of get some guys healthy. In this NFL, in the league, you’re going to get banged up week in, week out. For us, that bye week, it comes at an appropriate time. For us, to keep it there would be huge."

http://www.espn.com/blog/miami-dolph...-more-diffcult

[rataylor22]

I mean. Whining about it being fair is just ridiculous. It's not fair that the Patriots get 7 bye weeks, but there it is. It's not fair that the AFC South gets to play Bortles 6 times, but there it is. It's professional sports. Lots of things are not fair.