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    Quote Originally Posted by RizzeeDizzee View Post
    Some pretty interesting food for thought:

    Goals allowed by 2001-02 Flyers (the year before Hitchcock took over) - 192
    Goals allowed by 2002-03 Flyers (Hitchcock's first year at the helm) - 166

    Goals allowed by 2005-06 Blue Jackets (the year before Hitchcock took over) - 276
    Goals allowed by 2006-07 Blue Jackets (Hitchcock took over after game 20) - 244

    Goals allowed by 2010-11 Blues (the year before Hitchcock took over) - 228
    Goals allowed by 2011-12 Blues (Hitchcock took over after game 13) - 155
    Great info, very intriguing.
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    I would feel slightly more comfortable with Rask. I still feel theres a few question marks with Bishop - he did have a down year, a new team, a new coach, and a porous defense. And Hitch may want to use Lehtonen more than people think. Rask at least I know what I'm getting, even if the Bruins are drifting into mediocrity. Don't get me wrong Bishop could be a home run this season, but if I had to pick today I'm going to be a little bit careful and go with Rask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmorrow View Post
    I would feel slightly more comfortable with Rask. I still feel theres a few question marks with Bishop - he did have a down year, a new team, a new coach, and a porous defense. And Hitch may want to use Lehtonen more than people think. Rask at least I know what I'm getting, even if the Bruins are drifting into mediocrity. Don't get me wrong Bishop could be a home run this season, but if I had to pick today I'm going to be a little bit careful and go with Rask.
    This is exactly how I feel. Rask = safe pick, Bishop = home run swing
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Comish View Post
    This is exactly how I feel. Rask = safe pick, Bishop = home run swing
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    So apparently I covered this in the Ramblings and I didn't even know this thread existed!

    http://www.dobberhockey.com/hockey-r...ishop-sept-10/

    I have the exact same decision to make. I said Rask but after reading this I'll have to think this over some more. My categories are W, GAA, SV%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gooding74 View Post
    So apparently I covered this in the Ramblings and I didn't even know this thread existed!

    http://www.dobberhockey.com/hockey-r...ishop-sept-10/

    I have the exact same decision to make. I said Rask but after reading this I'll have to think this over some more. My categories are W, GAA, SV%.
    Those categories really are tailor made for a Hitchcock-coached goalie, since part of what he focuses on is reduced shot volume and you don't count saves.
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    I'm not so sure Hitchcock won't ride the hot hand like he has in the past, and while Lehtonen has been pretty poor the past few years he was been a capable starter prior to that and has the ability to play at a higher level. It was basically always a time share in STL. I'd go with Rask for sure here.

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    I had this exact choice in our leagues draft and I went with Bishop. I think with the Dallas coaching change (thank you for those stats!) and I do not have high hopes for Boston. Probably more a gut feeling but it's a close choice either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GretzkysMullet View Post
    I'm not so sure Hitchcock won't ride the hot hand like he has in the past, and while Lehtonen has been pretty poor the past few years he was been a capable starter prior to that and has the ability to play at a higher level. It was basically always a time share in STL. I'd go with Rask for sure here.
    I've been saying this exact thing for a while know and I'm surprised more people aren't saying it. Before Dallas' D went to total crap and before the Niemi two headed debacle, Lethonen was a good starting goalie. Between his ability and Hitch's history of rising the hot hand, I would not at all be surprised for Lethonen's minimum games started next season to be in the 30's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GretzkysMullet View Post
    I'm not so sure Hitchcock won't ride the hot hand like he has in the past, and while Lehtonen has been pretty poor the past few years he was been a capable starter prior to that and has the ability to play at a higher level. It was basically always a time share in STL. I'd go with Rask for sure here.
    I am not debating this fact, but was the time share in STL not also attributed to the fact that one of Elliot or Allen were always getting injured?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wonko View Post
    I am not debating this fact, but was the time share in STL not also attributed to the fact that one of Elliot or Allen were always getting injured?
    I don't follow St Louis closely, but I thought it was more that Hitch rode the hot hand. Injuries definitely played into it, but even when a guy came back from injury, I feel like it was just a matter of time before the other guy went cold and Hitch would switch things up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RizzeeDizzee View Post
    Some pretty interesting food for thought:

    Goals allowed by 2001-02 Flyers (the year before Hitchcock took over) - 192
    Goals allowed by 2002-03 Flyers (Hitchcock's first year at the helm) - 166

    Goals allowed by 2005-06 Blue Jackets (the year before Hitchcock took over) - 276
    Goals allowed by 2006-07 Blue Jackets (Hitchcock took over after game 20) - 244

    Goals allowed by 2010-11 Blues (the year before Hitchcock took over) - 228
    Goals allowed by 2011-12 Blues (Hitchcock took over after game 13) - 155
    You didn't happen to look at the goalie splits when looking at this data did you? It would be interesting to see if Hitchcock rode the hot hand and had timeshares in net, or a clear starting goalie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Referee3083 View Post
    You didn't happen to look at the goalie splits when looking at this data did you? It would be interesting to see if Hitchcock rode the hot hand and had timeshares in net, or a clear starting goalie.
    Well how did the Elliot/Allen split shake out? I think Hitch has a history of riding the hot hand...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    Give me Rask over Bishop. I think Dallas is "better" than they were last year but I am not ready to jump all in yet.
    I would have to agree with Axe. I prefer Rask and BOS seems safer for me.

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    Rough hack on D in front of them...

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    Both are 30 yrs old. Both have injury history but I think Rask is the safer bet there. Coaching comes down in favor of Bishop. I'm going Bishop by a nose.
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