Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 31

Thread: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

  1. #16
    Wonko's Avatar
    Wonko is offline
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    4,505
    Location
    Mountains
    Rep Power
    50

    Dobber Sports All-Star

    Default Re: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckcouples View Post
    The Montour part was a joke but the other three were not. Pietrangelo had 18 points in the last 20 games of the regular season last year. The last quarter of the season was the same time that Shattenkirk was no longer on the Blues. I think Pietrangelo scores at that pace for the upcoming season which would put him at 60+ points which should be 3rd in the NHL for dmen scoring. The other two are proven offensive talents.
    I agree Alex is in a better situation now that he has been given the reigns to the #1 PP, but saying a guy whose career high is 51 points now scores 60 + is a tad bit optimistic. I think low 50's is his ceiling if he continues to get the brunt of the first power play unit. Extrapolating a whole seasons production from 20 games will bite you in the butt more times than not I think. Also, it would not surprise me if Parayko gets a few looks on PP #1 this season as well which would eat into some of Pietrangelo's prime time.
    KHL Fantasy Hockey League Keep 8
    3-C 3-RW 3-LW 6-D 2-G

    Forward 5-G 3-A 1.0 STP
    D-Men 6-G 4-A 1.5 STP
    .35 Shot .4 Hit .4 Block .1 FOW
    Goalie 6.5 Win .25 Save -2.5 GA 2-SO


    C- Larkin, Hischer, Horvat, R. Thomas
    LW- Stamkos, Hyman, Kreider, Lehkonen,
    RW- Laine, Marchessault, Toffoli. Buchnevich
    D- Doughty, Burns, Letang, Andersson (IR), Faulk, Toews, Pionk, Petry
    G- Vasilevskiy, Copley, Andersen



  2. #17
    Bass56's Avatar
    Bass56 is offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    8,332
    Rep Power
    50

    Dobber Sports Giant

    Default Re: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

    Letang (if he's healthy, he's easily number 3 behind EK and Burns)
    Josi (I think he's the total package and he takes it a step further this year)
    Hedman (unlike Josi, I think Hedman takes a small step back but still remains in elite territory)
    Klingberg (he should bounce back)
    Subban (same as Kling)

    HM: OEL and Shattenkirk
    Keeper league 14 teams (H2H, 20 active players keep 16 NHLers, 16 minors)
    Scoring Cats: G-A-PTS-PPG-PPA-(+/-)-HITS-BLK-SHP-SOG-FOW-GWG / W-L-SVS-SV%-GAA-SO

    C- Crosby, Barzal, Bennett, Schmaltz, Novak
    W- Forsberg, Batherson, Nichuskin, Tuch, Konecny, Maccelli, Sharangovich, Bertuzzi, Kaliyev, Neighbours, Reichel
    D- Carlson, Rielly, Klingberg
    G- Hellebuyck, Demko, Merzlikins, Vejmelka

    Minors:
    F: Fantilli, Cooley, Bourgault, Perreault, Cowan, Ohgren, N. Foote, Goyette, Iskhakov, Denisenko, Tracey
    D: Simashev, Willander, Lambos
    G: Schmidt, Rodrigue, DiPietro, Gaudreau, McKay

  3. #18
    Rep Power
    9

    Dobber Sports Apprentice

    Default Re: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

    Hedman and Klingberg are the two I would feel most confident about.

  4. #19
    yougo's Avatar
    yougo is offline
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    3,493
    Location
    Montreal
    Rep Power
    43

    Dobber Sports Expert

    Default Re: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bass56 View Post
    Letang (if he's healthy, he's easily number 3 behind EK and Burns)
    Josi (I think he's the total package and he takes it a step further this year)
    Hedman (unlike Josi, I think Hedman takes a small step back but still remains in elite territory)
    Klingberg (he should bounce back)
    Subban (same as Kling)

    HM: OEL and Shattenkirk
    I like these. I think I'd switch Josi with Klingberg(that Stars PP is gonna be so dangerous with Radulov added to it).

    Letang
    Klingberg
    Hedman
    Shattenkirk
    Josi/Subban (I think Laviolette wakes up this summer and realizes he lost the chance to win the Stanley Cup by not putting PK and Josi on the same PP unit)
    twitter: @hugotwigg

  5. #20
    Rep Power
    9

    Dobber Sports Apprentice

    Default Re: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

    Letang is a 40 point defenseman when you factor in his injuries.

  6. #21
    Rep Power
    50

    The Great One

    Default Re: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

    I think it's probably Hedman, Letang, and Josi
    DobberHockey Senior Writer (columnist since 2012)
    Click here to read my weekly "Roos Lets Loose" columns, going live every Wednesday morning and consisting of a rotating schedule of a "forum buzz" column, a fantasy hockey mailbag, a tournament/poll, and an edition of Goldipucks and the Three Skaters: https://dobberhockey.com/category/ho...key-rick-roos/

  7. #22
    Location
    Alberta, Canada
    Rep Power
    31

    Dobber Sports Pro

    Default Re: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

    PPG - Letang wins. Just a matter of injuries. I like Klinger's situation and potential going forward. I personally think Hedman is going to regress, but no fancy stats to back that up. I just think this was as sort of dream year for him (still near the top though).
    12 Team Keep 6: G/A:1 W/SO:2
    C - McDavid, Matthews
    LW - Draisaitl
    RW - ​​Marner
    D - Dahlin, Morrissey
    G -
    B -

    12 Team Keep 10 (& 5 Minors)
    : G/A/OTL:1 W:2 SO:3
    '24 Picks (16 Rounds) - 1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,5,5,6,6
    '25 & '26 - Extra 1st, Extra 2nd
    F - ​McDavid, Rantanen, Point, Aho, M. Tkachuk, Guentzel
    D - Bouchard, Dobson, Matheson
    G - Vasilevskiy
    B -
    M - Cooley, Michkov, Perreault, Hutson, Nikishin

  8. #23
    Rep Power
    9

    Dobber Sports Apprentice

    Default Re: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

    I don't get it. Injuries with Letang are being waved off like they are not big deal. His history suggests he is a lock to miss games and because of that his average points over the last 5 seasons is 40 points per season.

  9. #24
    Wonko's Avatar
    Wonko is offline
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    4,505
    Location
    Mountains
    Rep Power
    50

    Dobber Sports All-Star

    Default Re: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrSandals View Post
    I don't get it. Injuries with Letang are being waved off like they are not big deal. His history suggests he is a lock to miss games and because of that his average points over the last 5 seasons is 40 points per season.
    True Sandals, he has only averaged approximately 40 points a year over the last 5 seasons, but his value depends on your league settings. Most importantly, whether or not your league has reserve spots. If a lesser defender can be slotted in easily and readily when Letang is absent that adds a huge component to his value. You now get his elite ppg average plus a mediocre defends ppg averaged together leaving you with what is still a very valuable fantasy asset overall in most cases.

    It also depends if you league counts hits, shots, and blocked shots because Letang is a monster and fills these categories like nobodies business.

    At the end of the day, like I always say, you gotta know your league setting well. In some leagues Letang holds good value, in others, not so much.
    KHL Fantasy Hockey League Keep 8
    3-C 3-RW 3-LW 6-D 2-G

    Forward 5-G 3-A 1.0 STP
    D-Men 6-G 4-A 1.5 STP
    .35 Shot .4 Hit .4 Block .1 FOW
    Goalie 6.5 Win .25 Save -2.5 GA 2-SO


    C- Larkin, Hischer, Horvat, R. Thomas
    LW- Stamkos, Hyman, Kreider, Lehkonen,
    RW- Laine, Marchessault, Toffoli. Buchnevich
    D- Doughty, Burns, Letang, Andersson (IR), Faulk, Toews, Pionk, Petry
    G- Vasilevskiy, Copley, Andersen



  10. #25
    Rep Power
    9

    Dobber Sports Apprentice

    Default Re: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

    Very true. I suppose if you have a healthy amount of IR spots available, as well as the ability to stream in some decent back end production when Letang is hurt, then it's doable. I just wouldn't want to bother with that all of that if you have other options that don't require that type of juggling to get that kind of production or better.

  11. #26
    Rep Power
    40

    Dobber Sports Immortal

    Default Re: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

    Like the inclusion of OEL here. I go...

    Hedman
    Letang
    OEL
    Josi
    Shattenkirk
    Subban

  12. #27
    Rep Power
    9

    Dobber Sports Apprentice

    Default Re: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

    Hi hockeyrobot. Why Letang given his constant injuries?

  13. #28
    Location
    BetweenLeiasBuns
    Rep Power
    50

    Dobber Sports Genius

    Default Re: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

    EK
    Burns
    Heds

    Shatts
    Kling.
    Hamilton
    Buff.

    honorable mentions to keith, krug, josi, ap, risto and oel.
    Hockey Pools? Too many to mention. Points only, salary cap and dynasty.

  14. #29
    yougo's Avatar
    yougo is offline
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    3,493
    Location
    Montreal
    Rep Power
    43

    Dobber Sports Expert

    Default Re: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrSandals View Post
    Hi hockeyrobot. Why Letang given his constant injuries?
    You still don't get it? Letang is like a .90 ppg player when healthy, depending on your league , you can get 40pts in like 45 games then replace him with a 25-30pts D(or whoever is on a hot streak) and get 55+ pts. And when healthy, he's the 2nd best D to own.

    In 2015-16 and 2014-15 he was the 3rd most valuable D in my format, yet he only played 71 games and 69 games. He's that good.
    twitter: @hugotwigg

  15. #30
    Rep Power
    9

    Dobber Sports Apprentice

    Default Re: Top 5 D after Karlsson and Burns...

    Quote Originally Posted by yougo View Post
    You still don't get it? Letang is like a .90 ppg player when healthy, depending on your league , you can get 40pts in like 45 games then replace him with a 25-30pts D(or whoever is on a hot streak) and get 55+ pts. And when healthy, he's the 2nd best D to own.

    In 2015-16 and 2014-15 he was the 3rd most valuable D in my format, yet he only played 71 games and 69 games. He's that good.
    You keep saying 'When he is healthy'. I have zero reason to believe that will actually happen. Health is a factor in determining value to a player, and in Letang's case it's a huge factor. To ignore that is not a very good way to evaluate players in my opinion. The OP asked for top 5 D based on straight points. In a straight points league you should be drafting Letang as a 40-50 point blueliner if you're being honest with yourself. To do otherwise is to overvalue the player. Letang is not even a top 10 D based on that.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •