Reply With QuoteSmith is more "win now" than Hellebuyck, but only for the next season (at most). I'd be tempted to trade for the new Flames netminder, but ultimately would keep Helly.
Hellybuck or Smith?
I came in 3rd last year with a 3 goalie combination of Rask, dubnyk and hellybuck. Hellybuck was the only goalie I started the season with as Rask and dubnyk were acquired through trades throughout the year. (started last year with bishop, Schneider and hellybuck)
Just wondering with the Smith trade to Calgary, would he be a prime trade target to replace hellybuck, or hold tight with hellybuck, as he is the younger option and is my 3rd option in net and therefore worth waiting on?
25 man roster, 20 player keeper, goalie cats are 2 points for a win, 5 bonus points for shutout.
Coincidentally, the same gm who I have been treating 1st round picks with lately, also owns Smith. Lol
1st teamC: S. Aho, E. Malkin, W. Karllson, B. Nelson
LW: B. Marchand, A. Ovechkin, J. Zucker, N. Niederreiter, A. Svechnikov,
RW: D. Perron, J. Kyrou, C. Keller, D. Strome, T. Toffoli, C. Perfetti,
D: j. Carlson, D. Hamilton, R. Andersson, F. Hronek,J. Spurgeon
G: , C. Hellybuck, J. Ottinger, A. Vasilevskiy
2nd team
C: E. Lindholm, J. Pavelski, JT Miller, R. Johansen, A. Killorn, B. Jenner(IR)
LW: , B. Marchand, A. Mangiapane, T. Toffoli, J. Gaudreau
RW: P. Kane, Pasta, D. Perron, T. Wilson, N. Schmaltz, M. Tkackuk
D: J. Carlson, A. Pietriangelo, C. McAvoy, N. Schmidt, J. Trouba, J. Morrissey
G: J. Markstrom, C. Hellybuyck, T. Jarry
Re: Hellybuck or Smith?
Smith is more "win now" than Hellebuyck, but only for the next season (at most). I'd be tempted to trade for the new Flames netminder, but ultimately would keep Helly.
Bottleneckers (12/16 in 2022)
16 team, points only. G: 2-W, 4-SO.
Top 9F, 4D & 1G . Keep 15, Max 23
F: J. Robertson, J. Hughes, Tavares, Lafreniere, Cozens, Newhook, Teravainen, Domi, R. Strome, Laine, Rossi, Raymond, Holtz, Perfetti
D: Bouchard, McAvoy, Morrissey, Heiskanen
G: Vasilevskiy
Re: Hellybuck or Smith?
That's kind of my thought as well. It's tempting, but with 2 other top goalies, I think hellybuck might be worth holding onto. As he grows into the top netminder, he will eventually replace one of the other 2. Other idea was to not keep hellybuck and draft darling at 8th or 9th. But would he be more of a question mark than hellybuck? And would he even be there at 8 or 9?
1st teamC: S. Aho, E. Malkin, W. Karllson, B. Nelson
LW: B. Marchand, A. Ovechkin, J. Zucker, N. Niederreiter, A. Svechnikov,
RW: D. Perron, J. Kyrou, C. Keller, D. Strome, T. Toffoli, C. Perfetti,
D: j. Carlson, D. Hamilton, R. Andersson, F. Hronek,J. Spurgeon
G: , C. Hellybuck, J. Ottinger, A. Vasilevskiy
2nd team
C: E. Lindholm, J. Pavelski, JT Miller, R. Johansen, A. Killorn, B. Jenner(IR)
LW: , B. Marchand, A. Mangiapane, T. Toffoli, J. Gaudreau
RW: P. Kane, Pasta, D. Perron, T. Wilson, N. Schmaltz, M. Tkackuk
D: J. Carlson, A. Pietriangelo, C. McAvoy, N. Schmidt, J. Trouba, J. Morrissey
G: J. Markstrom, C. Hellybuyck, T. Jarry
Re: Hellybuck or Smith?
Helly is the better third goalie imo
Experience is the teacher of all things.
Re: Hellybuck or Smith?
Keep Helley. He's the future in Winnipeg and even though he struggled last year, that was expected growing pains. I'm not convinced Smith is a great option as he's 35 and the track record at that age isn't good. Maybe you get 1-2 seasons of league average goaltending with smith, which Helley should be able to do that, if not better, as early as next season (and continue to improve since he's so young).
12 Team Weekly H2H, Daily Lineups. Keep 7 + 1 Prospect (<164 NHL games).
Scoring:PLAYER: G(3), A(2), D Pts(addt'l 0.7), +/-(0.5), PPP(addt'l 1), SHP(addt'l 0.5), SOG(0.4), BLK(0.8)GOALIE: W(2), GA(-1.5), Saves(0.3), SO(3)Positions - 3C, 2RW, 2LW, 4D, 2G, 5 Bench, 4 IR, 1 prospect
C - J Hughes(LW), Hintz, Malkin, Pinto
LW - M Tkachuk(RW), Robertson
RW - Rust, Necas, Zuccarello
D - Makar, Fox, Bouchard, Roy, Krug
G - Oettinger, Thompson, Wedgewood
Prospect Keeper - L Hughes(D)
IR - Hill(G)
2024 Picks - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Re: Hellybuck or Smith?
Those were my thoughts as well. Always good to get another opinion though.
Re: Hellybuck or Smith?
Would help to know the number of teams in the league, to get a better sense of goalie values.
But as a 3G, I'd go Helly (future)>Darling>Smith. And if Darling is still there at 8 or 9, I might take him anyways....if your league is deep.
Re: Hellybuck or Smith?
Helley easily in a dynasty
12 team with 15 keepers weekly H2H categories (G,A,P.P.P,S.O.G,F.W,Hits,Blks,Pims, G.A.A,SV%,Wins and S.O)
C/W Schenn Lindholm Keller Namestnikov PLD schmaltz
C Giroux Stamkos Schiefele Kadri Brassard
W Gaudreau Okposo Mantha Gallagher Rantanen beauviller
D Byfuglien Josi Keith Jones Gudas Ellis
G Schnieder Hellebuyck
I.R Shaw
Prospects (25 games or less)
Gilles
Re: Hellybuck or Smith?
I like Smith for the next two years but then Hellebuyck.
If he's your third, keep Hellebuyck.
10 Team, Points Only, Cash League
25 Man Roster (no position), top 20 point getters count at end of month
Keep 20/25 at seasons end, Cut 5 to FA for redrafting
Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt
Stamkos, Tavares, Eichel, Mercer, JRobertson, RThomas, Kucherov, Nugent-Hopkins, Tuch, KConnor, Necas, Point, Konecny, SJarvis, Cozenz, Morrissey, Bouchard, Josi, Novak, Tolvanen, Peterka, Brink
G- Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Oettinger
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Re: Hellybuck or Smith?
I think you have to keep hellboy.
Re: Hellybuck or Smith?
Keep Helly if it's your 3rd goalie.
I expect Smith to put up decent numbers with a better team in front of him, but his upside at this point is probably 2.45 GAA/.918 SV% which would put him somewhere in the 9-15 range. Helly has the upside to be elite, and although I don't expect that to happen this year, if it did and you kept a 36 year old Smith over him you would be kicking yourself for a very long time.
Re: Hellybuck or Smith?
Helle all day, every day, and twice on Sundays.
G,A,+/-,PPP,SHP,GWG,H,BS,W,SV%,SA,SO
12 Man H2H Salary Keeper League
C - S.Crosby/S.Monahan/G.Landeskog(lw)/W.Karlsson
LW- T.Hall/B.Rust(lw)/N.Hoglander
RW - J.Guentzel(lw)/ T.Tatar(lw)/J.Pulujaarvi/K.Kapanen(lw)
D - B.Burns/E.Karlsson/M.Heiskanen/J.Carlson
G - I.Sorokin/I.Shesterkin/T.Demko/C.Peterson/C.Talbot
Farm - C.Primeau/P.Kochetov/C.Caufield/E.Svechnikov
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