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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    I am not sure how much (if any) truth is tied to this rumor but there is a bit of chatter on twitter today about a few teams making pitches for Ovechkin. This one is the biggest one I've read today:

    https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/...-biggest-stars
    Lol. Here is how the call goes:

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    GMBM: No

    End of conversation

    Ovi helped create that massive fan base in Washington. No way Leonis approves a move ever
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    I do agree with most of your points. The one thing I will point out is that in the real NHL, the wrong side of 30 doesn't hold the same weight as it does in fantasy sports. Teams aren't afraid of the age issue as much as fantasy GM's tend to focus on it. Today's NHL players (especially the elite ones) can play well into their 30s at an extremely high level.
    Some can. Some can't. Power forwards like Ovechkin tend to look washed by their early thirties. More finesse players like Thornton can play a lot longer. Considering Ovechkin's 5v5 play is already starting to tank, that's not promising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyemissgilmour View Post
    I'm in the minority I guess, but I think the "required" packages here for Ovie are nuts. The guy is one-dimensional, a cap albatross, on the wrong side of 30, and, frankly, without Backstrom he is not a huge upgrade over someone like Kessel.
    And we all know what Kessel fetched via trade... very little, even if Kappy develops into a decent player.
    Plus the Leafs had to eat salary.

    IF the Flames offered Bennett, Kylington and a pair of 1sts, I think that is an outstanding offer. The Caps would be exercising incredibly poor asset management if they hung up the phone.
    Lol.
    1. Kessel HAD to be moved from TO as they were rebuilding and wanted to tank
    2. Ovi is the best goal scorer of this generation, is probably still the best weapon on the PP for all 31 teams, and was likely under-paid for what he brought to the caps for 10 years
    3. You aren't going to get him for a d-prospect who hasn't made the NHL yet, a centre who hasn't lived up to expectations and some 1st round picks. This isn't fantasy GM land
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    From 2015.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/o...lay-canadiens/

    The Washington Capitals face the Montreal Canadiens at the Bell Centre Thursday night and Alex Ovechkin is excited about it.

    In an alternate NHL universe, Ovechkin could be lining up on the Canadiens’ side of the ice.

    As Ovechkin prepared to sit down with ESPN for an interview Thursday, the NHL’s leading goal scorer expressed his love for the city of Montreal and the atmosphere at the Bell Centre.

    “I love playing here,” Ovechkin told ESPN.

    When asked if he could picture himself playing for the Canadiens’ if he wasn’t holding down his position as face of the Capitals’ franchise, the Great 8 gave Montreal hockey fans something to dream about.

    “Yeah, probably, if I would have a choice,” Ovechkin said. “The culture, the atmosphere, the city . . . If I wasn’t in Washington? Yes, here.”

    Ovechkin has experienced the excitement of playoff hockey in Montreal first-hand, albeit on the losing end of a series.

    The Capitals fell to the Canadiens in a seven-game series back in 2010, with Montreal winning 4-1 at the Bell Centre in Game 6.

    Ovechkin leads the NHL in goals with 50 and currently sits second in points with 77.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodgort View Post
    Lol.
    1. Kessel HAD to be moved from TO as they were rebuilding and wanted to tank
    2. Ovi is the best goal scorer of this generation, is probably still the best weapon on the PP for all 31 teams, and was likely under-paid for what he brought to the caps for 10 years
    3. You aren't going to get him for a d-prospect who hasn't made the NHL yet, a centre who hasn't lived up to expectations and some 1st round picks. This isn't fantasy GM land
    Was? Whatever he has been in his career, he's not the best goal scorer in the NHL right now.

    Maybe he's been underpaid in his career for what he's provided to the Caps, but he's overpaid for what he provides now.

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    Just saw this rumour....late to the party.

    I don't think I would ever do this deal if I was MacLellan.

    Way to much risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyemissgilmour View Post
    True, true.
    But another thing that bothers me with Ovie is the guy has played like a wrecking ball his whole career. You can get away with that at 25, not so much at 35. I think Ovie's decline has already begun, production-wise, and it will only worsen as he's overdue for some nagging injuries.
    At 35 he'll be heading into the last year of his contract.

    The caps have him for another 4 years at 9.5M. That's not bad.

    Is his decline starting? For sure. But I wouldn't be surprised if he wins the Rocket Richard a few more times.

    Not to mention "face of the franchise" and the business/marketing side affect it'll have. You'd have to get approved from the owner Im sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rataylor22 View Post
    Was? Whatever he has been in his career, he's not the best goal scorer in the NHL right now.

    Maybe he's been underpaid in his career for what he's provided to the Caps, but he's overpaid for what he provides now.
    Could he be on a decline, sure. But he also was given reduced minutes. Up those minutes and I think he can still score 50. Who would you peg could score 50 right now with him? Honestly I can't think of any. Tarasenko has no C's to play with for help (remembering the years of Iggy carrying CGY), Stamkos has had 2 years off pretty much, Kucherov will have to deal with added ice time to Stammer, Perry is done up there. Crosby seems to be 40's at best

    for reference (Rocket Richard award):
    2007–08 Alexander Ovechkin Washington Capitals 65 82 1
    2008–09 Alexander Ovechkin Washington Capitals 56 79 2
    2009–10 Sidney Crosby Pittsburgh Penguins 51 81 1
    Steven Stamkos Tampa Bay Lightning 51 82 1
    2010–11 Corey Perry Anaheim Ducks 50 82 1
    2011–12 Steven Stamkos Tampa Bay Lightning 60 82 2
    2012–13* Alexander Ovechkin Washington Capitals 32 48 3
    2013–14 Alexander Ovechkin Washington Capitals 51 78 4
    2014–15 Alexander Ovechkin Washington Capitals 53 81 5
    2015–16 Alexander Ovechkin Washington Capitals 50 79 6
    2016–17 Sidney Crosby Pittsburgh Penguins 44 75 2
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    I do not believe he can score 50. Even with increased ice time, unless he's getting an extra 2 minutes per game on the powerplay. So.

    I also do not believe that what he gives you is worth 9.5 million. I'd say right now he's worth 7 at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodgort View Post
    Lol.
    1. Kessel HAD to be moved from TO as they were rebuilding and wanted to tank
    2. Ovi is the best goal scorer of this generation, is probably still the best weapon on the PP for all 31 teams, and was likely under-paid for what he brought to the caps for 10 years
    3. You aren't going to get him for a d-prospect who hasn't made the NHL yet, a centre who hasn't lived up to expectations and some 1st round picks. This isn't fantasy GM land
    He had the most PP goals this year and it was a down year.

    Arguably the most threatening player in the league on the PP, easily.

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    I think Ovy has two more 50 goal season in him.

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    You're making a stronger case to keep Ovechkin rather than to trade him for another center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyemissgilmour View Post
    Maybe. But you guys are giving Ovie way too much credit.
    Backstrom has always done all the heavy lifting for him.
    Backstrom came into the NHL in 2007-08 by then Ovechkin already played 163 games with 98 goals and 198 points.

    Backstrom sure has helped, but at the same time he likely doesn't get the points without Ovi as well. They are a great pair.
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    Player value aside, Washington would see a massive, massive ticket sales drop by making this move.
    For Calgary - I think they are headed in the right direction and don't yet need a massive move until they feel out their max-out level - which they are still rising.
    So yeah... I wasn't surprised to hear that this is just rumour.
    To me - this trade spec doesn't make much sense for either team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyemissgilmour View Post
    But don't tell me the fans wouldn't welcome a major shake-up (like trading Ovie while you can still get solid value) after yet another playoff disappointment.
    In the southeastern US, yes - I'm including DC... which isn't a real hockey base - the fans love their superstars.
    If you've got a superstar, you'll get attendance.
    I'd wager that 75%+ of hockey fans in southeastern markets (TB, FLA, ATL, CAR, NAS, WAS) couldn't accurately explain to you all conditions of icing.

    I saw what happened to Atlanta when they let Kovalchuk go.
    Better team without him? Absolutely.
    Attendance & fan passion? Decrease.

    Same would happen to WAS without Ovechkin, IMO.
    His star power alone gives him an added value-boost in a non-hockey market. (but obv, not CGY)
    You ride that kind of guy for income until the wheels fall off.
    (And OV, even declining in ES energy, will score goals on the PP until he's 45.)

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