Points only dynasty: Letang or Barrie?

[loco man]

I have Barrie and have been offered Letang and I am totally torn.

Letang under Sullivan is an absolute monster and top 5 D in my format but the guy is 30 and out for 4-6 months, for disc surgery in his neck I might add. Barrie only 25 and a solid 50 pt D with room for more IMO.

I have won my league back to back years and have one more "go for it" year left so I am debating rolling the dice on Letang vs playing it safe with Barrie,

Need some objective takes - thanks!

[DudeImJason]

Letang by alot, Letang playing 50-60 games usually outproduces Barries 82 game production

[MZac]

Letang by alot, Letang playing 50-60 games usually outproduces Barries 82 game production

Agree. Letang with or without missed games is more valuable than Barrie by miles.

[newfcollins]

Agree with everyone else. Letang played 41 games and still got 34 points. Barrie played 74 and got 38.

[gooding74]

Letang for me as well. The risk is worth the reward if you're comparing him to Barrie, who dropped off last season.

[ericdaoust]

Letang

[hockeyrobot]

Letang for me as well. Sure he gets hurt....but Barrie is a few tiers below him! When he's hurt you can probably luck into a couple D on hot streaks and make it somewhat ok.

[Mr. Guru]

Who's your first bench defender?

Even if you have or can acquire a decent depth defender than you have to accept this deal.

You'll have to count on your depth for worst case scenario.

In a 20 team start 6D, Im sure it can get really thin.

Moore and Johnson are eyesores on that roster. You got any D prospects in the pipeline?

If it's going to be hard to replace Letang's points while he is injured than it's a deal you might have to pass on.

Barrie can score goals at or even better than a healthy Letang. And with your league counting G goals as 3 points.......you start to wonder.

It's a good offer from the guy.

I might pass on it.

[loco man]

Thanks for the input, have to say a little surprised at the Letang love. On my end, this is why I am torn:

Aside from his monster year in 2015, in my format Letang has posted 68, 65, 49, 45, 77 points over the last 5 years. Barrie has posted 69, 77 and 80. Looks close to me.

Pretty safe to say that Barrie's average is 75 points (my format) going forward. Let's say Letang plays 70 games, his points in that year were 11 goals and 55 points for 77 points in my league. I think that is a safe estimate and probably even a big stretch to think Letang will play 70 games. Barrie has scored 12 goals twice and 13 once (Letang scored more than 11 ony one time).

In my league, Letang has put up ONE monster year of 100 points, but otherwise averages mid 60's when you factor in injuries. Now, he is 30 years old and just had disc surgery on his neck, whereas Barrie is just entering his prime, already has put up 50 NHL points. Not to mention, Dobber himself ranks Barrie ahead of Letang.

I am failing to see how this is so one sided - but really appreciate the takes, as I clearly need to see the other side.

Keep em coming!

[forsbergfan]

even with the injury concern, at this point in time there are very few Dmen that you even consider not trading for letang. unless you were talking about a tier 2 dman (after karlsson, hedman, burns and letang), there's nothing to even consider. barrie is several rungs below letang.

[Axeman33]

Pull the trigger on this one. Get Letang.

[newfcollins]

Thanks for the input, have to say a little surprised at the Letang love. On my end, this is why I am torn:

Aside from his monster year in 2015, in my format Letang has posted 68, 65, 49, 45, 77 points over the last 5 years. Barrie has posted 69, 77 and 80. Looks close to me.

Pretty safe to say that Barrie's average is 75 points (my format) going forward. Let's say Letang plays 70 games, his points in that year were 11 goals and 55 points for 77 points in my league. I think that is a safe estimate and probably even a big stretch to think Letang will play 70 games. Barrie has scored 12 goals twice and 13 once (Letang scored more than 11 ony one time).

In my league, Letang has put up ONE monster year of 100 points, but otherwise averages mid 60's when you factor in injuries. Now, he is 30 years old and just had disc surgery on his neck, whereas Barrie is just entering his prime, already has put up 50 NHL points. Not to mention, Dobber himself ranks Barrie ahead of Letang.

I am failing to see how this is so one sided - but really appreciate the takes, as I clearly need to see the other side.

Keep em coming!

Can you post the like comparisons? You only post five years from Letang, but leave out a season. Did he score 100 points that season in your format? And then you compare it to three years of Barrie, and you include the season you excluded from Letang. So it's not a fair comparison.

Give us the last five (or three) years for each player. When you leave out certain seasons, you're skewing the stats to justify your point of view.

[loco man]

of course - apologies if not clear, see below. My format points will be in brackets

2016: Barrie 7-31-38 (54) Letang: 5-29-34 (46)
2015: Barrie 13-36-49 (80) Letang: 16-51-67 (101)
2014: Barrie 12-41-53 (77) Letang: 11-43-54 (77)
2013: Barrie 13-25-38 (69) Letang: 11-11-22 (45)
2012: Barrie partial year... Letang: 5-33-38 (49)
2011: Barrie not in NHL.... Letang: 10-32-42 (65)
2010: Barrie not in NHL.... Letang: 8-42-50 (68)
2009: Barrie not in NHL.... Letang: 3-24-27 (33)

What I glean from these stats:

Barrie is just entering his prime and is a 50 NHL point D man (75-85) with room to fluxuate on either side. He is pointing just as well as Letang did at the same age.

Letang, despite the ability and factoring in his injuries, which at this point have to be factored in, only averages 40ish NHL points (70) and while his highs are way higher (see the outlier 100 pointer in 2015) his lows are much lower (he has 5 sub 40 point NHL seasons to his 3 40+ seasons). To the argument that he still outpoints Barrie even if he plays fewer games, I am not seeing it. Add in coming off serious neck surgery and a history of a stroke along with 5 years older, I am not seeing the landslide for Letang.

Again, no dispute that over a full season under Sullivan Letang can easily put up massive numbers. If I were to bet though, I'd take Barrie to get 50 points over Letang to get 70.

Having said all of that, I am probably gonna take the deal lol

[LuigiC173]

I am a fan of the safe route in Barrie despite the tragedy that is the Avs. Despite their shortcomings Barrie finished the season strong without any sort of talent around him to help. Letang will always go down at the worst time guaranteed. Despite the fact that he is the clear better option Barrie gives you more game exposure and more chances to accrue points.

[loco man]

F it. Pulled the trigger. Barrie and Vesey for Letang and Landeskog

Welcome back Tanger (have owned several times over the years) - speedy recovery. In the end I'm rolling the dice that he comes to camp healthy and rested. If so, I agree that he is a tier 1 producer and if I am gonna try and pull off the 3-peat I'll need big years from Letang and Malkin. Go big or go home.

Thanks a lot to all for your input - greatly appreciated and really helped this decision!