I would take that deal in a heartbeat*
*I haven't actually looked at the players' stats
got offered the following (all players would be keepers & all stats)
getting:
Seth Jones *2.9*, Mikael Granlund *3.7*, Sam Reinhart *2.7*
trading:
Nathan MacKinnon *3.0*, Roman Josi *3.5*, Robby Fabbri *2.7*
with the shape Colorado is in I'm getting a little sick of waiting for MacKinnon to live up to his potential, also nervous about this just being a lucky year for Granlund but like the upside for Jones/Reinhart, thoughts?
14 Team (H2H Points) Dynasty League
C: McDavid, MacKinnon, Eichel, Zibanejad
LW: E.Kane, Panarin, Huberdeau, Marchand, Landeskog
RW: Rantanen, Zuccarello
D: Makar, Dahlin, Chychrun, Drysdale
G: Shesterkin, Saros, Markstrom
Prospects: Carlsson, Raty, Berggren, Miroshnichenko, Othmann, Clarke, Gulyayev, Nikishin, Wallstadt, Wolf
16 Team (H2H Points) Dynasty League
C: MacKinnon, Zibanejad, Duchene, Schenn, Johansen, Monahan, Krebs, Pageau
LW: E.Kane, Pacioretty, Vrana, Hoffman
RW: Tuch, Stone, Wilson, Batherson, Sprong, Gallagher, Wahlstrom
D: Dahlin, Hamilton, Letang, Dumba, Kylington, Liljegren
G: Allen
Prospects: Byfield, Guenther, Rossi, Perreault, Nikishin
I would take that deal in a heartbeat*
*I haven't actually looked at the players' stats
I like the McKinnon side myself for next year and beyond. If you're in contention this year and stats transfer over for you then that's another story. If it can win you a championship now then I'd be more open to it.
Set roster weekly in H2H (Mon to Sun) - 16 Teams - start 6F, 3D, and 1G per week - Keep 2
Points: 2 G / 2 A / 1 PPG / 1 PPA / 1 Hat Trick / 1 SHG / 1 SHA / 1 GWG - 3 Goalie Win / 2 Goalie Loss in SO or OT / 5 goalie SO
Forwards:
C. McDavid, N. Kucherov, R. O'Reilly, J. Schwartz, J. Toews, J. Huberdeau, T. Toffoli, M. Granlund
Defense:
B. Burns, J. Klingberg, R. Josi, J. Slavin
Goalie:
J. Binnington
IR (2 max):
Jones << Josi
Granlund > MacK (Right now, but MacK still has the higher ceiling)
Reinhart = Fabbri
So I'm firmly on the MacK & Josi side
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I disagree with you on two of these.
Jones is 4 years younger than Josi. What kind of numbers was Roman Josi putting up when he was 22? He had 18 points in 48 games with 7 of those points coming on the PP. Josi MIGHT be a small upgrade on Jones but he's definitely not a big upgrade in this keeper league especially with a salary 20% lower.
Reinhart has 2 seasons of 40+ points while Fabbri has never had 30 points in a season. They are both the same age and Reinhart has the higher upside especially when he could spend his career on a line with Eichel. There's a reason Reinhart went 20 picks higher in their draft class.
Youth isn't everything, and with Werenski around I think we'll see Jones take on more of an all around role than an offensive one (like Pietrangelo when Shattenkirk was still in town). Josi still has a bunch of good years left himself, and there's no point looking any further than 3 years ahead in keeper leagues, if even.
As for Reinhart/Fabbri, my thinking there was that they are pretty close, and close enough that it becomes irrelevant in the grand scheme of the deal. They are pieces 5 and 6 of 6. If you're not getting the better players in the top bit of the deal then it's not a deal you want to take. In a pinch, I probably agree with you and side with Reinhart, but for the purpose of this deal, I'm choosing to ignore that swap as irrelevant, and focus on the bigger pieces.
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I like Jones but even in not convinced he does better than Josi the next few years, Fabbri and Bennett is a wash but for me Mak is going low and Granlund high - question is who do we think improves next year and with that I take Mak (and the frustration that he has created the last few years)
Experience is the teacher of all things.
- Like the others have stated - most value Josi more than Jones.
- Some may still value Mackinnon more than Granlund
- He sent this offer - you can make a counter-offer
I would send one of your lesser-valued players and keep Schwartz.
Comish Dynasty - 3 Tiers - 24 GMs (G A +/- PIM STP SOG HITS BLK W SV GAA / 4C, 4LW, 4RW, 6D, 1G) - $1130 SALARY CAP - Tier 1
C - Point $111, Horvat $67, Athanasiou $27 (C/LW), Mittelstadt $5, Lafferty $5 (C,LW,RW), Kupari $5, Coyle $40 (C/RW), Saarela $5
LW - E.Kane $130, Bertuzzi $11 (LW/RW), Matt Martin $27, B.Lemieux $5, Haula (C/LW) $5, Motte $5,
RW - Tarasenko $117, Keller $28 (RW/LW), Niederreiter $65 (LW/RW) , Tatar $57 (LW/RW), Kyrou $5 (C/LW), B.Ritchie
D - Werenski $62, Pulock $57, R.Ellis $65, Ceci $36, T.Myers $59, T.DeAngelo $9, Bear $5, Witkowski, $5, Byram $5, Boqvist $5, T.Smith $5, Capobianco $5
G - Grubauer $42, Rittich $27, Sorokin $5,
this one comes down to Josi vs Jones for me as the other sets are a wash when you consider the four together IMO. i like Reinhardt over Fabbri as much as i like MacK over Granlund.
Josi wins.
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24 man roster (+3 IR) - Keep 20 - Daily settings
Start 3C, 3LW, 3RW, 5D, 2G, 1UTIL
G,A,PTS, +/-, PIM, PPA, PPG, D PTS - W, SV, SV%
C- Zegras, Suzuki, Carlsson
RW- Batherson, Foerster, Michkov, Kakko, Toffoli
LW- BTkachuk, Stutzle(C), Byfield(C), McTavish(C), Benson
D- Minyukov, Sanderson, LHughes, Clarke, Faber
G- Wolf, Askarov, Wallstedt
IR- Norris(C)
IR- Fantilli(C)
IR- Quinn(RW)
Picks in 2024/25 rounds 1,1,1,2
Picks in 2025/26 rounds 1,1,3,4
Comish Dynasty - 3 Tiers - 24 GMs (G A +/- PIM STP SOG HITS BLK W SV GAA / 4C, 4LW, 4RW, 6D, 1G) - $1130 SALARY CAP - Tier 1
C - Point $111, Horvat $67, Athanasiou $27 (C/LW), Mittelstadt $5, Lafferty $5 (C,LW,RW), Kupari $5, Coyle $40 (C/RW), Saarela $5
LW - E.Kane $130, Bertuzzi $11 (LW/RW), Matt Martin $27, B.Lemieux $5, Haula (C/LW) $5, Motte $5,
RW - Tarasenko $117, Keller $28 (RW/LW), Niederreiter $65 (LW/RW) , Tatar $57 (LW/RW), Kyrou $5 (C/LW), B.Ritchie
D - Werenski $62, Pulock $57, R.Ellis $65, Ceci $36, T.Myers $59, T.DeAngelo $9, Bear $5, Witkowski, $5, Byram $5, Boqvist $5, T.Smith $5, Capobianco $5
G - Grubauer $42, Rittich $27, Sorokin $5,
I would not make this trade. Immediate decline.
Josi's name still holds tremendous value, and MacKinnon's isn't entirely swamped yet (although, I don't think that you can trade him for fair value at the current moment in time). If you're thinking of moving either of those two guys, I would be shopping them around, and not taking an offer that an owner initiated with you.