Giroux for Horvat

[flyers0101]

For the league in my sig.

I just traded: Giroux
I received: Horvat, Jost

I know I'm losing the best player, and I am competing this year, but Giroux was concerning me. Is Horvat that big of a drop off from Giroux at this point?

What do we expect from Jost? While I made this move for Horvat, if Jost can turn into a 60 point player in the future I think I will this big.

Thoughts?

[hockeyrobot]

I think this is a big mistake. Giroux is in a slump but this seems like a major panic/sell low move.

[lucafen4]

I think in 2 years this will be a good trade for you - Jost will be producing & Horvat will be a 65pt C...

...... but you have to wait two years.

[varlytime]

I personally like it, but I'm not a fan of Giroux

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I personally like it, but I'm not a fan of Giroux

[Canucks_fan18]

I am a huge homer Horvat fan but I think I like the Giroux side better. I don't think Horvat has Giroux's offensive upside even at this stage in their careers but I could be wrong. I could see Giroux rebounding next year with 70+ points and Horvat still trying to scratch the surface of 60.

[Canucks_fan18]

I am a huge homer Horvat fan but I think I like the Giroux side better. I don't think Horvat has Giroux's offensive upside even at this stage in their careers but I could be wrong. I could see Giroux rebounding next year with 70+ points and Horvat still trying to scratch the surface of 60.

[nickchau2000]

Giroux has multiple 70+ pt seasons. I wouldn't be surprised if horvat didn't have one by the end of his career. I'm also a vancouver local and canuck fan, and as much as I like horvat, he's not gonna be a big point producer. I'm thinking like...filpula, zajac...there are probably better examples, but those ones come to mind right now.

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Giroux has multiple 70+ pt seasons. I wouldn't be surprised if horvat didn't have one by the end of his career. I'm also a vancouver local and canuck fan, and as much as I like horvat, he's not gonna be a big point producer. I'm thinking like...filpula, zajac...there are probably better examples, but those ones come to mind right now.

[BreadManPanarin]

I think if you wanted to sell Giroux, you probably could have gotten a better return... but I could be wrong.

[lucafen4]

Giroux has multiple 70+ pt seasons. I wouldn't be surprised if horvat didn't have one by the end of his career. I'm also a vancouver local and canuck fan, and as much as I like horvat, he's not gonna be a big point producer. I'm thinking like...filpula, zajac...there are probably better examples, but those ones come to mind right now.

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Giroux has multiple 70+ pt seasons. I wouldn't be surprised if horvat didn't have one by the end of his career. I'm also a vancouver local and canuck fan, and as much as I like horvat, he's not gonna be a big point producer. I'm thinking like...filpula, zajac...there are probably better examples, but those ones come to mind right now.

I am not a Canucks fan, but I'm sold on Horvat - I agree he likely will never hit 70pts, perhaps it'll happen given the right situation - mainly Boeser becoming a top line beast and on his wing for the next 10 years being primary condition #1. That said, He's going to be better and more consistent than Filpula or Zajac.

I think Bergeron production 60-65pts per season and really solid in his own zone (maybe not Bergie's level defensively). Is a serious possibility. That's why I put him passing Giroux in a two year time frame. I think Giroux is more of a 60-65pt player now - tow years and they'll become even around that bench mark.

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I think if you wanted to sell Giroux, you probably could have gotten a better return... but I could be wrong.

I traded Giroux for Kadri 1-1 in a multi-cat league as I stated in a different thread. I just have a gut feeling he's going to be an early decliner - Giroux

[Canucks_fan18]

Lucafens assessment is fair. I guess I look at it like this and I am ignoring Jost for the moment. But I see Giroux as still at 60-75 point guy and I am looking at Horvat as a 55 to 65 point guy. Then add into the fact that Giroux's name value probably still holds quite a bit more weight then I am weighing it slightly more on the Giroux side.

[lucafen4]

Lucafens assessment is fair. I guess I look at it like this and I am ignoring Jost for the moment. But I see Giroux as still at 60-75 point guy and I am looking at Horvat as a 55 to 65 point guy. Then add into the fact that Giroux's name value probably still holds quite a bit more weight then I am weighing it slightly more on the Giroux side.

I think most have forgotten Jost was included in the deal. This kid is going to be a really great player in a couple years... As long as the team's goal is 2 years to start competing. It'll be fine.

There was more on the table to be had, IMO.

[Kofax]

Since you're still competing, the Giroux side. The guy still has point per game potential, a talent that is hard to find in the NHL these days. I'm not sold on Horvat yet, his S% and on ice team S% are both a little high right now and to me he maxes out at 60. Conversely, Giroux's S% and on ice team S% are both a little low this year pointing to a bounce back and to me he's a 65-70 guy with a shot at point per game every year. So it's a substantial downgrade now for a shot that Jost develops into a useful fantasy asset years down the road. Not a trade I would have made.