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    Let me know what you think of these.

    Crosby 90
    Kane 88
    McDavid 88
    Benn 87
    Tavares 82
    Gaudreau 81
    Tarasenko 79
    Karlsson 78
    Ovechkin 77
    Seguin 77
    Pavelski 76
    Kuznetsov 75
    Backstrom 75
    Kucherov 73
    Giroux 73
    Wheeler 72
    Getzlaf 72
    Panarin 71
    Kopitar 71
    Thornton 71
    Malkin 71
    Stamkos 70
    Burns 68
    Monahan 68
    Forsberg 67
    Johansen 67
    Perry 67
    Scheifele 67
    Barkov 67
    Eichel 66
    Voracek 66
    Pacioretty 66
    Huberdeau 66
    Hall 66
    Kessel 64
    Stone 64
    Eberle 64
    Galchenyuk 63
    O'Reilly 63
    Toews 63
    Letang 63
    Bergeron 62
    Lucic 62
    Toffoli 61
    MacKinnon 61
    Schwartz 61
    Johnson 61
    Spezza 61
    Couture 61
    Krejci 61
    Schenn 60
    Josi 60
    Brassard 60
    Parise 60
    D Sedin 59
    Landeskog 59
    Subban 59
    Duchene 59
    Van Riemsdyk 59
    Matthews 59
    Okposo 58
    Simmonds 58
    Ladd 58
    Klingberg 58
    Zuccarello 58
    Turris 58
    Radulov 57
    Nash 57
    Carter 57
    Saad 57
    Carlson 57
    Trocheck 57
    Ekman-Larsson 57
    Stepan 56
    Hoffman 56
    Palmeri 56
    H Sedin 55
    Palat 55
    Jokinen 55
    Neal 55
    Marchand 54
    Henrique 54
    Nugent-Hopkins 54
    Oshie 54
    Domi 54
    Ryan 54
    Little 53
    Eriksson 53
    Skinner 53
    Draisaitl 53
    Sharp 53
    Hornqvist 52
    Zibanejad 52
    Larkin 52
    Jagr 52
    Stastny 52
    Reinhart 52
    Laine 51
    Marner 51
    Nyquist 51
    Kesler 51
    Plekanec 51
    Fabbri 51
    Barrie 51
    Girodano 51
    Boedker 51
    Byfuglien 51
    Smith 51
    Ehlers 51
    Koivu 51
    Wennberg 51
    Rask 51
    Jenner 51
    Soderberg 50
    Teravainen 50
    Couturier 50
    Gallagher 50
    Atkinson 49
    Doughty 49
    Bennett 49
    Hedman 49
    Zetterberg 49
    Niederreiter 48
    Backes 48
    Rakell 48
    Spooner 48
    Gostisbehere 48












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    very good list. only thing I disagree with is TT and Jagr, dont think they will produce that much but very solid list

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    I could nitpick based on a few minor things I disagree with, but that's a mighty fine list!

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    I saw an episode of Brain Games where they had 10 participants try to guess how many balls or something we're in this box. All these guess we're really sporadic, ranging from the low 100's to close to 1000. Then they added everyone's guess and divided by 10. The number they got was off by about 10. So I took that same concept and did it with 3 hockey guides. Dobber, Hockey News and Hockey the Magazine. And these are the results.

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    Pretty solid list. I think it’s a good list to go off of with some anomalies.

    Letang making it enough games to score 63pts is one of them.

    99% of them are within 5pts +/- of where I’d peg them to. Be hard for that many to hit PPG tho, but they can all do it.
    12 Team, H2H, Keep 6 (in Bold)
    G, A, Pts, PPP, FW, SOG, Hits, Blocks
    W, Saves, S%, GAA, Game Started
    2C, 2LW, 2RW, 4D, 1Util, 2G, 5BN, 2IR, 1IR+, 1NA

    C: Horvat, Trocheck
    LW: J. Robertson, Byfield (C), Guenther
    RW: Pavelski (C), Giroux (C), Svechnikov (LW)
    D: Fox, Makar, Bouchard, Morrissey, Gudas
    Util: Meier (LW, RW)
    G: Oettinger, Georgiev, Samsonov, Woll


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    I do this every year.
    My database is from 6 guides (we have 3 from Quebec that you may have hard time finding outside of Q ) with ajustments based on potentiel and ceiling.
    I find that this correct the aberrations from guide to guide.
    It's a lot of work but I think it worths it.

    I won't post all my list here, but there are the players I have at 70 points and over:

    Sidney Crosby 93
    Connor McDavid 91
    Patrick Kane 91
    Jamie Benn 89
    Tyler Seguin 83
    John Tavares 82
    Johnny Gaudreau 81
    Alexander Ovechkin 81
    Vladimir Tarasenko 79
    Erik Karlsson 78
    Nicklas Backstrom 78
    Joe Pavelski 77
    Evgeny Kuznetsov 76
    Evgeni Malkin 76
    Claude Giroux 75
    Ryan Getzlaf 74
    Nikita Kucherov 74
    Anze Kopitar 73
    Steven Stamkos 73
    Blake Wheeler 73
    Artemi Panarin 73
    Jack Eichel 71
    Joe Thornton 71
    Filip Forsberg 70
    Corey Perry 70
    Ryan Johansen 70
    Taylor Hall 70
    Keeper league (12 teams) - keep 6 (+ NHL team is auto keep)
    Weekly lineup: 1T, 9F, 4D, 1G
    Points only:
    Forwards & Dmen: goal (1), assist (1)
    Goalies: win (2), otl/sol (1), shutout (2)
    Team: win (2), otl/sol (1)
    Only 2 FA pickups for the season (remaining: 0)

    [T] Edmonton
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeTrefle View Post
    I do this every year.
    My database is from 6 guides (we have 3 from Quebec that you may have hard time finding outside of Q ) with ajustments based on potentiel and ceiling.
    I find that this correct the aberrations from guide to guide.
    It's a lot of work but I think it worths it.

    I won't post all my list here, but there are the players I have at 70 points and over:

    Sidney Crosby 93
    Connor McDavid 91
    Patrick Kane 91
    Jamie Benn 89
    Tyler Seguin 83
    John Tavares 82
    Johnny Gaudreau 81
    Alexander Ovechkin 81
    Vladimir Tarasenko 79
    Erik Karlsson 78
    Nicklas Backstrom 78
    Joe Pavelski 77
    Evgeny Kuznetsov 76
    Evgeni Malkin 76
    Claude Giroux 75
    Ryan Getzlaf 74
    Nikita Kucherov 74
    Anze Kopitar 73
    Steven Stamkos 73
    Blake Wheeler 73
    Artemi Panarin 73
    Jack Eichel 71
    Joe Thornton 71
    Filip Forsberg 70
    Corey Perry 70
    Ryan Johansen 70
    Taylor Hall 70
    nice list, it took me forever to donor with 3. Can't imagine using 6 haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2014olympicgold View Post
    Pretty solid list. I think it’s a good list to go off of with some anomalies.

    Letang making it enough games to score 63pts is one of them.

    99% of them are within 5pts +/- of where I’d peg them to. Be hard for that many to hit PPG tho, but they can all do it.

    I know, Letangs health is always a question. No list is perfect. But it's a start haha

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    Which of the guides adjust for games played? I know Dobber's list does it but I doubt many of the others do. That makes these kind of average listings lose some of their value. It is a great project and thank you all for sharing but just be sure to take the information like any information and be sure you understand exactly what the numbers are saying.

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    Personally, I think the masses have Gaudreau, Tarasenko, Kucherov, and Panarin too high - among guys in the 70+ range.
    I do agree that an averaged list of several experts is a great way to build a list.

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    I used to do my own lists (Dobber and the 3 magazines you get here in Western Canada).

    I just don't have time anymore, so I lean on Dobber's Guide.
    18 Team Full Keeper. Total points.

    Start 10 F, 3 D, 1 UTIL, 1 G

    3 Points: SHO, 2 Points: G, PPA, SHG, SHA, W, 1 Point: A, PPG, GWG, .25 Points: BLK, .1 Points: FOW, SOG, SV, .15 Points: HIT, -.05 Points: FOL, -.15 Points: GA

    Forwards: Backstrom, Barre-Boulet, Beauvillier, Caufield, Dickinson, Donato, Donskoi, Gourde, Greenway, Horvat, Kase, Keller, Kuznetsov, MacKinnon, Marchessault, J. T. Miller, Sikura, Tarasenko, Zegras

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    There are a small handful of projections that I object with, but overall, this is a very, very strong list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengwin7 View Post
    Personally, I think the masses have Gaudreau, Tarasenko, Kucherov, and Panarin too high - among guys in the 70+ range.
    I do agree with you.
    But being in a keeper league (keep 6), it's more the 50's to 65's points players that matter for me.
    Ultimately, while using any list, we also have to trust our personal knowledge, gut feeling, preferences...
    Keeper league (12 teams) - keep 6 (+ NHL team is auto keep)
    Weekly lineup: 1T, 9F, 4D, 1G
    Points only:
    Forwards & Dmen: goal (1), assist (1)
    Goalies: win (2), otl/sol (1), shutout (2)
    Team: win (2), otl/sol (1)
    Only 2 FA pickups for the season (remaining: 0)

    [T] Edmonton
    [F] Panarin, Pettersson, Bedard
    [D] Heiskanen, Theodore, Dobson
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    Great list! Its a good thing we have computers and the internet... could you imagine trying to come up with such a list without these two tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torontos #2 Fan View Post
    I saw an episode of Brain Games where they had 10 participants try to guess how many balls or something we're in this box. All these guess we're really sporadic, ranging from the low 100's to close to 1000. Then they added everyone's guess and divided by 10. The number they got was off by about 10. So I took that same concept and did it with 3 hockey guides. Dobber, Hockey News and Hockey the Magazine. And these are the results.
    So you're just taking the average? Or is there more to this that I am not understanding. Not trying to be condescending, just curious what your scientific strategy was
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimo Brother View Post
    So you're just taking the average? Or is there more to this that I am not understanding. Not trying to be condescending, just curious what your scientific strategy was

    I just took took the average. Just as the Brain Game test did. I figured I'll give it a shot with what I have. Haha

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