Matt Murray: Rookie?

[DarthVain]

So here is a question about Rookie eligibility. Is Matt Murray a rookie or not? It has impact on drafting ability.

NHL.COM says:
To be considered a rookie, a player must not have played in more than 25 NHL games in any preceding seasons, nor in six or more NHL games in each of any two preceding seasons. Any player at least 26 years of age (by September 15th of that season) is not considered a rookie.

Wiki says:
To be eligible for the award, a player cannot have played any more than 25 regular season games previously in any single season, nor have played in more than six regular season games in each of two separate preceding seasons in any major professional league.

Our Pool rules say:
All players introduced must have played twenty-six or more games played in the NHL for their career.

Fantrax says he is a rookie, while my Dobber draft material says he is not, yet he is listed as a Calder possibility in the guide which is confusing.

Matt Murray has played 13 regular season games and 21 playoff games...

Key is the difference between counting only regular season games or including playoff games.

[gainerama]

The rookie definition is completely irrelevant except for your own League definition for a rookie since that's the only opinion that matters. Fantrax rookie settings can be adjusted to fit whatever your league definitions are. You need to confirm if playoff games also count towards total games played for rookie definition with your league commish.

[Kabonov]

NHL.COM says:
To be considered a rookie, a player must not have played in more than 25 NHL games in any preceding seasons, nor in six or more NHL games in each of any two preceding seasons. Any player at least 26 years of age (by September 15th of that season) is not considered a rookie.

If the source so, ya NHL rookie status is stated above.?!

However, each Pool has it's own rules for what is considered a rookie/prospect.
Like gainerama said Ask the commish of the league you're in.

[Sulla]

played in the NHL would imply that he won't be a rookie in your league but worth the question...

[forumname]

NHL.COM says:
To be considered a rookie, a player must not have played in more than 25 NHL games in any preceding seasons, nor in six or more NHL games in each of any two preceding seasons. Any player at least 26 years of age (by September 15th of that season) is not considered a rookie.

If the source so ya NHL rookie status is stated above.

How do playoff games factor into this? Not relevant?

[PrairieDog]

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NHL.COM says:
To be considered a rookie, a player must not have played in more than 25 NHL games in any preceding seasons, nor in six or more NHL games in each of any two preceding seasons. Any player at least 26 years of age (by September 15th of that season) is not considered a rookie.

If the source so ya NHL rookie status is stated above.
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How do playoff games factor into this? Not relevant?

Pretty sure they aren't.

[als_revenge]

The rules in your pool refer to career games played; while ambiguous, it would seem playoff games count.

If the ruling goes the other way, then make sure the language in your pool rules is clarified and tightened up.

Murray is a rookie for NHL I believe; playoff games don't count for the rookie thing.

[newfcollins]

Easy way to tell. If the player is a candidate for the Calder this upcoming season, he's a rookie. This group would include Murray.

[Kabonov]

How do playoff games factor into this? Not relevant?

Sorry didn't see the reply. Regular season games count only. Playoffs are excluded from my understanding.

[DarthVain]

Yeah I guess I was looking for how other poolies would view the situation first before doing anything.

I was hoping not to have to ask as that would tip my hand a bit insofar as intentions go, and worse if it was decided to have league vote, to which I am pretty sure I'd get screwed. When/if it happens, it's sure to anger some folks.
At any rate rather than risk it all in a gambit, I thought I'd better confirm rules so as to not get screwed. I also needed to make sure because I would need to drop a goalie to make room. Commish confirmed that Playoffs count, so he should not count as rookie in our league. What is really going to tick people off is that he is automatically listed as such in the pool site we use which may confuse some people. I did the homework, so we'll see how this all plays out... I expect the rules might have some more wording after this all goes down...

The rookie definition is completely irrelevant except for your own League definition for a rookie since that's the only opinion that matters. Fantrax rookie settings can be adjusted to fit whatever your league definitions are. You need to confirm if playoff games also count towards total games played for rookie definition with your league commish.

[stevegamer]

Easy way to tell. If the player is a candidate for the Calder this upcoming season, he's a rookie. This group would include Murray.

This isn't true. Players have gotten Rookie of the Year hype, articles, and even votes in multiple sports when they aren't eligible.

[DarthVain]

Post Draft update.

So this didn't end well for me. I was a bit ticked off, but might have savaged it in the end.

Asked commissioner to clarify rookie rule as the rules only state "NHL games". Asked him if it included playoffs. He responded "yes". Planned my draft around that. Didn't pick up a goalie until the very end thinking I would sneak him for nothing as few would realize he wasn't a rookie in our league. When I announced him, there was a large amount of yelling. Commish said no, he is a rookie. I said that isn't want you told me, and resent the email. He basically said he made a mistake, and he was sorry but too bad. He also said this had somehow been discussed in the past etc... (regardless of what the rules actually say). Anyway BS. Yes I was being sneaky, but that is pretty much the name of the game in any hockey pool.

I pretty much based my entire draft around that information, purposefully not picking up a goalie so I could draft him, and spending money elsewhere. Anyway at that point there wasn't much left for goalies. Pretty much the only ones left were Ward and Lehner. Fortunately I was able to pick up both secondary goalies for my first two reserve roster picks, so all might not be lost for me. Picked up Kane and Ennis in for a penny in for a pound, so Go Sabers Go...

On top of all that Matt Murray is out for some weeks with a last minute injury anyway so there was that too anyway.

[chuckcouples]

And this is why league rules need to be clarified before they actually come up. With that said, that was definitely some dirty pool by the commissioner when he answered a direct question with an incorrect answer. That is not a league I would want to be a part of if the commissioner is answering rules questions incorrectly.

[newfcollins]

Yeah, I agree with Chuck. You should have been allowed if the commish told you that specifically.