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    Quote Originally Posted by Chunky Chunks View Post
    Ali's disrespect for America was far greater back then than Kaepernick's actions are now. Ali was in his prime and was a more dominant athlete so he did have more to lose which is why I am not putting Kaepernick on his level just providing a similarity. Smith and Carlos in the 68 Olympics is another great example. They were heavily criticized for "disrespecting the anthem" at the time but are now looked at as heroes in the civil rights movement.

    Kaepernick's race and upbringing are irrelevant. He could be 100% white raised by Chinese parents and it shouldn't matter. He believes there is a fundamental problem in America and wants to see change. It does not matter if this problem directly affects him. It does, however, affect him because regardless of who raised him or that he is biracial he will still be racially profiled as a "black male".

    It also does not matter that he is rich and made his money in America. He is speaking out for many many others in the country whose voices go unheard. THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS: so many people are not able to understand what others go through that they assume someone can only have an opinion that directly affects themselves. This lack of understanding others is what creates such divides in America and misunderstanding leads to fear and anger.

    If you follow his twitter history it's clear he has been vocal about these issues for a while now and has just now decided to use his platform to voice his opinion in a louder way. His actions will also have a negative impact on him staying in the NFL as this league hates "distractions". So no, he is not just doing this for attention and that is an incredibly insulting thing to say and further shows a lack or respect for black people.

    49ers can cut him if they are unhappy with his play or think he lacks focus. Actually makes what he's doing all the more courageous as he has a lot to lose but is doing what he feels is more important. to suggest that a game is more important than respect for human life is ridiculous.

    Tim Tebow had no message. He was religious. That is also insulting to imply there is a similarity between these two guys.

    I think the MOST IMPORTANT thing to understand about this message is that it is not implying each individual police officer is a terrible person but more so that the system itself is fundamentally flawed. Some people become emotional thinking Kaepernick is directly attacking their cousin, brother, etc in the police force. There are many excellent police officers, there are also some terrible ones but the system from top down is broken and many officers know this but can't do anything about it from their position and ranking.

    One of the problems of this system is that it is far too easy to become a police officer. Ideally, every cop would be an exceptional human being with integrity, no ego, and a desire to make their community a better safer place. Unfortunately, many turn to the profession for the wrong reasons. Some were picked on in school and want a source of power. Some crave control and think its cool to have a gun. Many reasons which lead to an abuse of power with only minor repercussions. There needs to be a better system for hiring and also for training so that good brave people can learn to become good cops. Again, I'm only highlighting the negative because this is the problem that needs fixing. The positive should be the norm so does not need to be pointed out.

    The pig socks were a poor decision
    BTW, did some digging. Tim Tebow was speaking out against abortion. Specifically that his Mother nearly choose abortion. The fact she didn't, saved and preserved his life. That was (at least one of )his message. Does not fit here, but your comment that he had no message as he was just religious didn't sit well with me.

    Anyway, just passing that on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    No, it wasn't that they were offering him a contract, it was more the Niners were trying to trade away his bad contract and the Broncos wouldn't take it all and their asking price was ridiculous.
    That's it. Again... Given his play, or lack there of, I'm sure they are breathing a sigh of relief while you 9ers fans are fingers tightly crossed that a competent QB surfaces!

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    Quote Originally Posted by havanablast21 View Post
    Wow. Thanks for sharing this Chris! A great message to help centre the "pendulum" from my perspective.

    This pretty much nails my passion and desire to show respect for our law enforcement WHILE fighting to identify and eliminate those "bad apples" identified by this very officer.

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    And the Casto shirt? Worn after the protest?
    I'll be honest. I wasn't aware of the Castro shirt. So I googled it. It appears he wore a shirt with a picture of a meeting in Harlem that features both Castro and Malcolm X. Apparently they meet in the early 60s to chat about racial oppression in the US and Cuba.

    I've read a few articles from people who are offended because Castro was a douche with a long history of human rights abuses. And one article that ended with, "The fact that Kapernick decided to wear a shirt of these two seemingly different leaders coming together and admiring each other's work toward racial equality is super symbolic and inspiring."

    I learned something today that I otherwise would not have known....

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    Quote Originally Posted by als_revenge View Post
    I'll be honest. I wasn't aware of the Castro shirt. So I googled it. It appears he wore a shirt with a picture of a meeting in Harlem that features both Castro and Malcolm X. Apparently they meet in the early 60s to chat about racial oppression in the US and Cuba.

    I've read a few articles from people who are offended because Castro was a douche with a long history of human rights abuses. And one article that ended with, "The fact that Kapernick decided to wear a shirt of these two seemingly different leaders coming together and admiring each other's work toward racial equality is super symbolic and inspiring."

    I learned something today that I otherwise would not have known....
    There ya have it. We can call it a win for you!

    All in all, great chatter here. Thanks to all who contributed!

    Still think he's a Donkey!

    See how this plays out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorro View Post
    I meant to ask this earlier >> Is Kaepernick using any of his millions to help create change??

    This is such a touchy subject with many different opinions.. No matter what, we will never all agree on this matter but I do love reading everyones responses..
    Yea actually, he donated 1 million to community organizations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rataylor22 View Post
    Yea actually, he donated 1 million to community organizations.

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    I did hear this late last night actually after I signed off.. Thank you though for the link!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman33 View Post
    No, it wasn't that they were offering him a contract, it was more the Niners were trying to trade away his bad contract and the Broncos wouldn't take it all and their asking price was ridiculous.
    The Niners wanted a 2nd round pick (which was at the end of the round since they were SB champs) so more like an early 3rd, but the Broncos wouldn't go higher than their 3rd (96th overall). Broncos were also trying to re-structure Kap's contract so that they could fit him into the cap because they knew they were going to be handing over a ton of $$ in re-signing Von Miller. Kap wouldn't agree to restructure.


    Also his contract isn't bad Axeman, as long as he's healthy at the end of the season they can cut him and absorb very little dead money (only signing bonus money) if he's on the roster come April 1 of whatever year that's when his contract becomes fully guaranteed for the upcoming season. I think they want to see how he does with Kelly before they finally cut ties with him.

    Him being injured and missing a bunch of practice in the offseason than sitting out two pre-season games has really put him behind in Kelly's system, and Kelly has mentioned he's still getting back to his full game shape and strength etc. However, if Gabbert continues to fail to push the ball down the field to stretch the D, you'll see Kap in a game by week 6 at the latest. If he flops, they'll bench him and move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorro View Post
    I did hear this late last night actually after I signed off.. Thank you though for the link!!
    He's also donating all $$ from his jersey sales.... 2/3 of jersey sales goes to the player as stated in the NFL/NFLPA agreement

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/07/news...ey-jersey-nfl/

    Also the SF 49ers organization has pledged to also donate $1 million....

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    Still think he's a "donkey" HB21? He's doing his best to actually effect change.

    I think it's commendable.

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    I really couldn’t care less if someone stands or sits to the anthem. It’s not like this is new, Delgado even did it with the Jays over some war in the Dominican I think? It’s a solid way to get your message across.

    He’s done a stand up job tho answering all the questions, he explained his side, he isn’t stepping down from his stance, and he’s actually doing something for the community with his stand. The wade, lebron, melo, paul speech before the ESPYS did raise awareness, but after that it didn’t do much else. Kaep is at least raising awareness and donating to charities with the money he’s made off the stance.

    All for what he’s doing, just as long as someone doesn’t do it and the stance was for like a better contract, or something small like a bill being based for you need to keep your grass cut under 1” at all times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rataylor22 View Post
    Still think he's a "donkey" HB21? He's doing his best to actually effect change.

    I think it's commendable.
    Sure do Mr. rataylor. For all the reasons I stated earlier.

    Demonstrating Gross Disrespect for the Policy as a whole with the ridiculous sock stunt does not garner any respect from me. Especially after reading the open letter Axe linked here from the law enforcement officer which was a very nice grounding message. A message he doesn't have to answer to.

    Sure... he's doing what he thinks is necessary to "invoke positive change" in society, but if he were to do so with a little more class, perhaps then he would get a little more support.

    Instead throwing up a big "F U" to police, maybe reaching out and working WITH police to achieve a common goal would garner more positive attention.

    Donald Trump donates millions to charity every year to help change. I still don't expect many immigrants, especially those with Mexican decent to trip over themselves in support of that guy.

    But I'm sounding like a broken record here. And I'm tired of hearing about this guy. Too bad. Because the cause he's fighting for is a noble one, yet his judgement/lapse there of has created levels of controversy that didn't need to exist IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyemissgilmour View Post
    This open letter really nails what bothers me most about Kaepernick, and all others who slap the hands feeding them - they ignore (and disrespect) the brave majority with their actions.

    "You entertain for a living, I and almost 800,000 others across this country serve and protect. Are there some bad apples within my profession? Absolutely, and they need to be identified and fired or arrested! But you know what, the vast majority do the right thing, the right way, for the right reason."
    BINGO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by havanablast21 View Post
    Sure do Mr. rataylor. For all the reasons I stated earlier.

    Demonstrating Gross Disrespect for the Policy as a whole with the ridiculous sock stunt does not garner any respect from me. Especially after reading the open letter Axe linked here from the law enforcement officer which was a very nice grounding message. A message he doesn't have to answer to.

    Sure... he's doing what he thinks is necessary to "invoke positive change" in society, but if he were to do so with a little more class, perhaps then he would get a little more support.

    Instead throwing up a big "F U" to police, maybe reaching out and working WITH police to achieve a common goal would garner more positive attention.

    Donald Trump donates millions to charity every year to help change. I still don't expect many immigrants, especially those with Mexican decent to trip over themselves in support of that guy.

    But I'm sounding like a broken record here. And I'm tired of hearing about this guy. Too bad. Because the cause he's fighting for is a noble one, yet his judgement/lapse there of has created levels of controversy that didn't need to exist IMO.
    It's interesting, how your original post was all about him not standing for the anthem, and yet all you can be is singularly focused on his socks because he's stood up and been accountable and respectful on the anthem front the entire time. He's even explained the socks, but you're grasping at straws of finding a reason to hate the actions.

    As for doing it with class to garner more support, I'm not actually sure what you're referring to. He was sitting before the media drew attention to it, so from the start he was never doing it just for attention. Once people started to notice, he explained himself calmly and rationally. He consulted with military to learn that taking a knee instead of sitting is a gesture the military actually finds more respectful than standing to them specifically. In the face of losing his job and widespread criticism, he didn't back down from his beliefs. He's been open an honest through the entire process, and committed time and money to the cause.

    As for the support thing, at this point, you're in the minority here man. His team supports him. His teammates support him. Other teams and players support him. The general american population, as a whole, are more on his side and support him than not. So on the support front, the "we don't support him" crowd is in the minority.

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    I hate how this will be talked about all damn season long...Again mentioning it last night in the CAR/DEN game. And you know it will be brought up on a broadcasts as soon as the anthem is played. Wish these commentators could find something better to talk about. Like the football game itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldendelicious View Post
    I hate how this will be talked about all damn season long...Again mentioning it last night in the CAR/DEN game. And you know it will be brought up on a broadcasts as soon as the anthem is played. Wish these commentators could find something better to talk about. Like the football game itself.
    Brandon Marshall took a knee for the anthem last night. So it was probably relevant.

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    Kaepernick sucks so he might as well do something to stay relevant. There's nothing more to it than that IMO. I don't remember him taking a knee during the National Anthem when he started in the Super Bowl, that's for sure. As a person, he always seemed like a giant douche. Despite his obvious yearn for attention, I do think what he's doing as a whole is positive, and I think it's stupid that people get annoyed by it.

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